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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by patathSS
The other thing to keep in mind is that you start to gain a greater amount of torque compared to horsepower when you drop below 2.7".
pat,

thats our big gain droping to a 2.5 but BilletFlows 2.7 is a lil smaller then 2.7....like 2.67 or 2.68 from a convo i had with Doug at his shop...so theres just such a small drop i dont see a gain with that....the .15-.20 drop we got into our TRUE 2.5 is biger then the .06 drop that i think is gonna happen betwen a 2.6 and2.7.

its all in the way there are mesured.
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 08:19 PM
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After reading this 9 page thread I'm just wondering where your getting you duty cycles from ? Are you using HPt's duty cycle gauge ? I just had a 2.7 and lucas 42's on the dyno a/f where in the mid 11's thought the pull and IDC was 84% . BTW when did the 80% become a rule the Intake valve isn't open 80% of the time ? I'm just looking for some clarification as you seem to know what your talking about .
Ok, where in the range of rpm's did you see mid 11's and an 84% IDC..??
What are you using to measure the IDC..?
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 06black
pat,

thats our big gain droping to a 2.5 but BilletFlows 2.7 is a lil smaller then 2.7....like 2.67 or 2.68 from a convo i had with Doug at his shop...so theres just such a small drop i dont see a gain with that....the .15-.20 drop we got into our TRUE 2.5 is biger then the .06 drop that i think is gonna happen betwen a 2.6 and2.7.

its all in the way there are mesured.

Was he specifically asking about Billettflow? I thought he was just referring to a 2.7 pulley.
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 09:15 PM
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2.8

well hello pat how are you?

I have dynoed (with patathSS) at VT racing in Lansing twice. once stock once with just stage 2. I have all my dyno info along with my A/F ratio stuff. tried to post all of it earlier but it wouldn’t let me.

anyhow I’m just bought a 2.79 pulley and will be throwing it on shortly.


my question is to those who say this setup is unsafe.

are you running any other mods specifically a CAI that might also affect your A/F ratio?

i sorry if this was answered before, i read to page 7 and had to ask.

this thread has got me hooked.

i just wish people wouldn’t get so angry and go back and forth all the time.....oh well such is the internet and the state of human behavior.

Thanks for all who posted some more so....

and a special thanks to 06black for all of his talk and then backing it up with statistical data. just take it easy dude. not everybody has your automotive knowledge (me included) and has seen many conflicting reports and we want to weigh all options before judgment.
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by patathSS
Was he specifically asking about Billettflow? I thought he was just referring to a 2.7 pulley.
i dont think anybody else makes a 2.7.....

i've only seen 2.8 or 2.6,....so its gotta be BF
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SSpartan
well hello pat how are you?

I have dynoed (with patathSS) at VT racing in Lansing twice. once stock once with just stage 2. I have all my dyno info along with my A/F ratio stuff. tried to post all of it earlier but it wouldn’t let me.

anyhow I’m just bought a 2.79 pulley and will be throwing it on shortly.


my question is to those who say this setup is unsafe.

are you running any other mods specifically a CAI that might also affect your A/F ratio?

i sorry if this was answered before, i read to page 7 and had to ask.

this thread has got me hooked.

i just wish people wouldn’t get so angry and go back and forth all the time.....oh well such is the internet and the state of human behavior.

Thanks for all who posted some more so....

and a special thanks to 06black for all of his talk and then backing it up with statistical data. just take it easy dude. not everybody has your automotive knowledge (me included) and has seen many conflicting reports and we want to weigh all options before judgment.

yea i know i went a little overbord there but i just get a lil upset when the same thing is asked in differant form multiple times in the same thred...

i'm just runig the air box mod...but to an extreme...i copyed the CA unit that replaces the bottom half...

i want a real intake but i can find better things to spend money on that will make the car faster...not just sound faster.

so yes that would casue a little more of a lean set up then not haveing it but its not possible for an intake to lean the car out as much as it is with a 2.7 and 42's
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc
Ok, where in the range of rpm's did you see mid 11's and an 84% IDC..??
What are you using to measure the IDC..?
I wonder the same thing....i just cant imagine a IDC that low with this set up.
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SSpartan
well hello pat how are you?

I have dynoed (with patathSS) at VT racing in Lansing twice. once stock once with just stage 2. I have all my dyno info along with my A/F ratio stuff. tried to post all of it earlier but it wouldn’t let me.

anyhow I’m just bought a 2.79 pulley and will be throwing it on shortly.


my question is to those who say this setup is unsafe.

are you running any other mods specifically a CAI that might also affect your A/F ratio?

i sorry if this was answered before, i read to page 7 and had to ask.

this thread has got me hooked.

i just wish people wouldn’t get so angry and go back and forth all the time.....oh well such is the internet and the state of human behavior.

Thanks for all who posted some more so....

and a special thanks to 06black for all of his talk and then backing it up with statistical data. just take it easy dude. not everybody has your automotive knowledge (me included) and has seen many conflicting reports and we want to weigh all options before judgment.
John, your pm box is full cant pm you
sorry offtopic...
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Old Sep 13, 2006 | 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 06black
i dont think anybody else makes a 2.7.....

i've only seen 2.8 or 2.6,....so its gotta be BF
Other companies do make them. Intense does, and so does PulleyBoys. I think you just tend to see more torque because the s/c starts to rob more and more hp the smaller you go.
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by patathSS
Other companies do make them. Intense does, and so does PulleyBoys. I think you just tend to see more torque because the s/c starts to rob more and more hp the smaller you go.

i was unaware that other people made 2.7's....thought everybody else did 2.8 or 2.6

and yea as we spin it faster we hit deminishing returns around the 2.8ish mark...from then on out we dont make much more HP but sence the boost rolls in faster we get more TQ..

TQ...FTW
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 06black
TQ...FTW
I love me some torque!!!!!
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 12:29 AM
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my torque EATS AND ***** V-TEK!
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 06black
my torque EATS AND ***** V-TEK!
it's v-tach yo
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 12:35 AM
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lol..rite on!...forgot proper spelling!
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 06:06 AM
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yeah I was refering to billetflow 2.7 sorry, anyways just ordered it in anodized silver, with seimen 60lb injectors now i just need to get a hold of a local person that can do a hptune lol
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 02:52 PM
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if you wanna make the drive out this way....i can take care of that tune for you.
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 03:00 PM
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where are you located?
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 03:35 PM
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wayyyyyyyyyyyyy far away!
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 03:44 PM
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damnnn grrr
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 04:33 PM
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The numbers are what they are,,, that's the black and white simple part.

But,

what I keep getting stuck on is that the 3" to 2.8" is a decent jump,, but it's not a huge jump. So I have trouble accepting that GM's stage 2 runs that close to max IDC. I mean if the 2.8 is putting it well over 110% IDC, than that means the 3" should be very close to max as well.

I just find it hard to believe that GM is pushing that close to the limits you know.

Especially now that the GM stage 3 is allegedly coming with a 2.8" and it does not upgrade the injectors.

I'm not saying that anyone's info is wrong, but it just strikes me as odd that GM would release their Stage kit with the 42's if they are so close to being maxed


Just my .02
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 04:37 PM
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I just got my car back from the dealer. I had the stage 2 and gmpp exhaust put on. I also just installed my injen intake and 2.8 pulley. I am going to install some colder spark plugs tomorrow. The car is unbelievable. I have no cel's or any other problems. The car runs like a top. I could not be more satisfied. My hnext mods are a shift light and the ZZP header and downpipe combo. I am also looking for a stage 3 clutch. MODDING IS ADDICTING!
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SsAdam
I just got my car back from the dealer. I had the stage 2 and gmpp exhaust put on. I also just installed my injen intake and 2.8 pulley. I am going to install some colder spark plugs tomorrow. The car is unbelievable. I have no cel's or any other problems. The car runs like a top. I could not be more satisfied. My hnext mods are a shift light and the ZZP header and downpipe combo. I am also looking for a stage 3 clutch. MODDING IS ADDICTING!
Before you get the shiftlight, have you considered the Interceptor gauge?

It 2 bright ass LED's for shift lights, and is an extremely helpful tool. It scans everything that your OBD2 system monitors. RPM, BOOST, IAT, IAT2, KR, etc etc

It doesn't sound like you are going to stop modding soon, so it may come in handy for you
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 04:45 PM
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I want a 2.0 pully with 110 pund injectors! J/K
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SS33
Before you get the shiftlight, have you considered the Interceptor gauge?

It 2 bright ass LED's for shift lights, and is an extremely helpful tool. It scans everything that your OBD2 system monitors. RPM, BOOST, IAT, IAT2, KR, etc etc

It doesn't sound like you are going to stop modding soon, so it may come in handy for you

good point...i LOVE my intercepter!

the lil LED shift lights will most def catch your eye and its great for makein sure things arent runing wrong.
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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by R&C_rallySS
I want a 2.0 pully with 110 pund injectors! J/K
well we have 70+ lb/hr injecters now...our operating system wont support anything over 64lb/hr tho
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