Rebel Auto Worxs Twin Screw tuning session and Video
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Why do some of you guys put negative comments toward these people other vendors are gunna see that **** and wanna leave and then we will be fucked over so if you dont have anything reasonable to say then dont say it and btw i am interested in the twinscrew how many fwd cars have them and 3500 aint a bad price specaily if they have it set up where it wont hurt our internals
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Enough of the petty bickering, I dislike reading it while I am trying to gather some info. It is another option, which has yet to be maxed out. Give it time before making any assumptions. Another thing, he's had some worthwhile posts.
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all ima add is that this blower is nowhere close to being maxed out... stock exhaust, conservative tune, 17 degrees timing.. open that bad boy up.. 25 degrees, meth, full exhaust.. 350whp .. then it will b worth the money..
how u gonna compare the stock blower wit high timing, radical tune, meth injection, overspinning the blower with all supporting mods to a car with a blower swap and an intake and a conservative tune????
how u gonna compare the stock blower wit high timing, radical tune, meth injection, overspinning the blower with all supporting mods to a car with a blower swap and an intake and a conservative tune????
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They will probally only sell the kit so it makes +/-300whp because in most cases that is alot for some people and it will be reliable to make those numbers with this blower, once you exceed that number, stuff will start to break and will require more money, but like that Rebel guy said, why cant we just overspin this blower like everyone else is doing with there Eatons and run water/meth, and other supporting mods, etc..... I am sure with proper mods we can see close to/over 400whp.... will probally require internals/head work, etc... but I am sure it could be done.... I am just waiting for some of the others guys that have deposits on this kit to get theres, cause some of them say they will max this blower out and see what kind of numbers it will make....
I am also sure they will sell stage kits for people that want more power.... but they are not going to sell a kit that will require people to dump all kinds of money into the car just so it doesnt blow up in the first week.....
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It is hard waiting for the next dyno tune and the exhaust getting added. I can not wait to see the numbers and tune. Want to see how much the blower is spinning to make those numbers and the heat output. Going to be very interesting.
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Rebel: were these numbers obtained on a Mustang Dyno or DynoJet? Also, are y'all running an Interceptor or other setup on there for IAT monitoring? If so, what kind of IATs are you seeing? What kind of AFR? etc.
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Lets Try and keep to the facts.
The Dyno was a DynoJet. We're using Hp tuners to monitor eveything aswell as tune.
Iat's as i said are much lower than the eaton unit typical drop of 50degrees, that is the real news. The other good part is there is more left in the blower.
How about I make some passes on the dyno with some meth and 25 degrees for you guys then your going to see crazy numbers. Will that make everyone happy. I'm sure the test cars stock clutch will love it.... We're trying to keep the beating to a minimum on the test car.
The Dyno was a DynoJet. We're using Hp tuners to monitor eveything aswell as tune.
Iat's as i said are much lower than the eaton unit typical drop of 50degrees, that is the real news. The other good part is there is more left in the blower.
How about I make some passes on the dyno with some meth and 25 degrees for you guys then your going to see crazy numbers. Will that make everyone happy. I'm sure the test cars stock clutch will love it.... We're trying to keep the beating to a minimum on the test car.
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Thanks for the info. Was it even building full boost on the DynoJet? I would like to see how it performs on an MD. I like your numbers because I know how much more potential is locked up in there, as well as understand the wanting to not beat the crap out of the test car. That is good news on the IATs. Also, what were the weather conditions/altitude of dyno run?
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Price - 3000-3500 - Overpriced - Correct
Blower - 1.2L Whipple - Too Small - Correct
Gains - 300+Whp with exhaust at 20Psi - Shitty - Correct
Turbo KIt - Hahn - Better for the money - Correct
What was bullshit again? Stop following the whole and form your own opinion.
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And evidentally, you will be able to twinscrew the 2.4L as well, with the correct internals of course, but yeha. 2.4L twinscrew.
So what exactly do Race Ported Heads do? is that just helping the air flow a lot more? Sorry for the noob question.
I agree, I want to be different too...but I will admit I was quite disappoitned when I heard it was only going to put out 300whp, I'm hoping it will put out AT LEAST 320whp ont he conservative tune, and then when we upgrade it and stuff, then we can see GIGANTIC numbers. Perhaps with the 3 inch exhaust, intake, and perhaps a better clutch?
Again, sorry to add, what does a ported head do? As I was thinking about getting a good build (Neutral balance shafts, cams, etc), THEN adding the twinscrew S/C.
I'd be interested in that as well. Perhaps if you guys got a 1.6L and did the parts for that one?
x2!!
I would honestly be interested in seeing this.
I don't know...With the right charger and tuning done as well as good supporting mods, the chargers should put down some very nice numbers. I also love the sound of a BOV, as well as the potential, but I do kinda like the idea of the Cobalt SS/SC, staying an SS/SC but with a more efficient blower and much better numbers.
But then again, I like to be different, and just about everyone out my way has a damn STi, or EVO, or something with a turbo. lol..
But then again, I like to be different, and just about everyone out my way has a damn STi, or EVO, or something with a turbo. lol..
Don't get me wrong boys. I LOVE the idea of a twin screw IRL but...
1. The blower is too small. Should have used a 1.6L
2. Price is too expensive. 500 dollars more gets me a Turbo kit.
Kit should have been 2500 dollars or less. Whipple charges 3300 for a 2.3L Supercharger upgrade on the cobra yet they want 3000-3500 for a 1.2L whipple .
Max out the eaton, Add a ported head and there's 300whp and you'll have 2500 dollars left over. I knew the 1.2L whipple whould yield shitty results.
1. The blower is too small. Should have used a 1.6L
2. Price is too expensive. 500 dollars more gets me a Turbo kit.
Kit should have been 2500 dollars or less. Whipple charges 3300 for a 2.3L Supercharger upgrade on the cobra yet they want 3000-3500 for a 1.2L whipple .
Max out the eaton, Add a ported head and there's 300whp and you'll have 2500 dollars left over. I knew the 1.2L whipple whould yield shitty results.
x2!!
Lets Try and keep to the facts.
The Dyno was a DynoJet. We're using Hp tuners to monitor eveything aswell as tune.
Iat's as i said are much lower than the eaton unit typical drop of 50degrees, that is the real news. The other good part is there is more left in the blower.
How about I make some passes on the dyno with some meth and 25 degrees for you guys then your going to see crazy numbers. Will that make everyone happy. I'm sure the test cars stock clutch will love it.... We're trying to keep the beating to a minimum on the test car.
The Dyno was a DynoJet. We're using Hp tuners to monitor eveything aswell as tune.
Iat's as i said are much lower than the eaton unit typical drop of 50degrees, that is the real news. The other good part is there is more left in the blower.
How about I make some passes on the dyno with some meth and 25 degrees for you guys then your going to see crazy numbers. Will that make everyone happy. I'm sure the test cars stock clutch will love it.... We're trying to keep the beating to a minimum on the test car.
I would honestly be interested in seeing this.
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Lets Try and keep to the facts.
The Dyno was a DynoJet. We're using Hp tuners to monitor eveything aswell as tune.
Iat's as i said are much lower than the eaton unit typical drop of 50degrees, that is the real news. The other good part is there is more left in the blower.
How about I make some passes on the dyno with some meth and 25 degrees for you guys then your going to see crazy numbers. Will that make everyone happy. I'm sure the test cars stock clutch will love it.... We're trying to keep the beating to a minimum on the test car.
The Dyno was a DynoJet. We're using Hp tuners to monitor eveything aswell as tune.
Iat's as i said are much lower than the eaton unit typical drop of 50degrees, that is the real news. The other good part is there is more left in the blower.
How about I make some passes on the dyno with some meth and 25 degrees for you guys then your going to see crazy numbers. Will that make everyone happy. I'm sure the test cars stock clutch will love it.... We're trying to keep the beating to a minimum on the test car.
Doooo Itttt so you can prove everybody wrong who is saying it wont make any powa
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Thanks for the info. Was it even building full boost on the DynoJet? I would like to see how it performs on an MD. I like your numbers because I know how much more potential is locked up in there, as well as understand the wanting to not beat the crap out of the test car. That is good news on the IATs. Also, what were the weather conditions/altitude of dyno run?
Lets Try and keep to the facts.
The Dyno was a DynoJet. We're using Hp tuners to monitor eveything aswell as tune.
Iat's as i said are much lower than the eaton unit typical drop of 50degrees, that is the real news. The other good part is there is more left in the blower.
How about I make some passes on the dyno with some meth and 25 degrees for you guys then your going to see crazy numbers. Will that make everyone happy. I'm sure the test cars stock clutch will love it.... We're trying to keep the beating to a minimum on the test car.
The Dyno was a DynoJet. We're using Hp tuners to monitor eveything aswell as tune.
Iat's as i said are much lower than the eaton unit typical drop of 50degrees, that is the real news. The other good part is there is more left in the blower.
How about I make some passes on the dyno with some meth and 25 degrees for you guys then your going to see crazy numbers. Will that make everyone happy. I'm sure the test cars stock clutch will love it.... We're trying to keep the beating to a minimum on the test car.
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... Ok I guess I'll throw my 2 cents out there.
There are too many people bashing this because they don't have a clue...
I've notcied the common thing being thrown around is "$3500 for only 300HP!"
I posted something a while back that plainly commented on why the twinscrew was actually worth it; EFFICIENT!
Yes, you can make 300HP on an Eaton... Yes it's 300HP on the TS. Now I ask of you haters, which is going to blow your stock internals first? Which is a more effective method of boosting?
I said it once, and I'll say it again. If all you want is bang for buck, go somewhere else. If you want a more reliable and safer method of making power, then you my friend are a prime candidate for a TS conversion. Think of it like the vendor is. The conversion is for the guy who wants a reliable 300HP daily driver.
So please people, think about who this product is aimed at before shooting it down. Just because it doesn't seem to suit your idea of cash well spent, doesn't mean you should debunk the entire concept.
Ok... I'm done now...
There are too many people bashing this because they don't have a clue...
I've notcied the common thing being thrown around is "$3500 for only 300HP!"
I posted something a while back that plainly commented on why the twinscrew was actually worth it; EFFICIENT!
Yes, you can make 300HP on an Eaton... Yes it's 300HP on the TS. Now I ask of you haters, which is going to blow your stock internals first? Which is a more effective method of boosting?
I said it once, and I'll say it again. If all you want is bang for buck, go somewhere else. If you want a more reliable and safer method of making power, then you my friend are a prime candidate for a TS conversion. Think of it like the vendor is. The conversion is for the guy who wants a reliable 300HP daily driver.
So please people, think about who this product is aimed at before shooting it down. Just because it doesn't seem to suit your idea of cash well spent, doesn't mean you should debunk the entire concept.
Ok... I'm done now...
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i dont consider anyone with an Ion a troll to our site. it's the same car as ours really, ok so the body is different... but the guts are the same. he is entitled to have an opinion. thats what this site is for.. exchanging ideas and opinions. while i may/ may not agree with him. that is irrelevant. HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO BE HERE.
#275
A race ported head should give us 30+whp on a pullied LSJ.
2.6"
HPT
60lb injectors
Header
DP
Exhaust
CAI
Race Ported head
300whp