It's just great to know that an almost $10k cheaper car that looks better can keep up and beat these cars. Its a dream come true to me lol, just gotta get my 2.4 up to speed :) almost there

sweet

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mitsubishi-...slip-9322.html


haha good luck with those cammed evo's boys. 340awhp on mustang dyno = around 415hp give or take a bit. 115mph trap speed = absolute ownage of any cobalt here. ABSOLUTE ownage. That ones on the stock turbo too. So exhaust/cam/tune = cobalt +1 asshole.

^^^hahaha owned

roll u will destroy it go from 40 if u have stage 2 i just raced a stage 2 sti from a 20 roll and a 40 roll from 40 i killed him at least 2.5 cars from a 20 i had no traction so he got ahead by 2 cars but i started to creep on him
will have vids tmrw

everyone can talk this and that..until it happens i aint beleievin nothing...

like ppl on here say ss/sc is faster than an evo ix...sorry guys but no way..

i race one STOCK VS STOCK,and he had me bout 1 car length from 40roll...we both started in 2nd...so like i said,i dont beleive it till i expierence it

what stage 2?

I didn't get my weight figures from GM, I got them from actual road tests of our car.

You guys ought to know me better than that by now!

Car&Driver
Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged - Short Take Road Tests
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...ged-page2.html
Curb weight: 2911 lb

Car&Driver
The Quickest Cars of 2007: $20,000 to $25,000 - Features
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ercharged.html
Curb weight: 2936 lb

Car&Driver
The Lightning Lap, 2006 - Features
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ers-page2.html
Curb weight: 2919

MotorTrend
Road Test: 2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged vs. 2005 Dodge SRT4
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html
Curb weight: 2959 lb

So the average weight of our car from the above data is 2931 lbs.

"Cammed" this ... "Tuned" that ...

Get a clue man, we're not talking about modded cars here.

It's Stock vs. Stock, and the excess weight of the Evo's AWD system knocks down it's performance advantage quite substantially when it's not racing from a stop.

Them is the facts ... so get used to it.

Ha Ha! You pwned yourself because you listened to someone who is clueless.

That must be embarrassing for you ...

Finally, someone who is talking some sense here!

For a minute, I had thought the world had gone completely mad.

Because someone would have to be totally insane to believe that an Evo, which only makes 10 more hp the wheels than our SS/SC, could annihilate our car when it weighs in almost 400lbs. more than an SS/SC.

THE FACTS:
3300lbs./225whp = 14.66 lb/whp
2930lbs./215whp = 13.62 lb/whp

It's just simple math people, it's not rocket science ...

From a stop and a dig, it will be the Evo. From a roll, it should be the Cobalt. And I put down 236 whp and 236 wtq on a Mustang Dyno with my bone stock Evo IX MR, hope that helps you compare a little better.

Ha alright, owning both cars at one time i can proudly say both cars are great! When it comes down to performance stock vs. stock an evo will rip you a new asshole anyday from a dig and WILL be you from a 20-40 roll also. Now stage 2+ SS vs. stock evo. this is a diffrent story. With just an Inatke/exhaust on my balt i raced the same but with stage 2 and he got me by id say 2 cars. So raceing a stock evo with stage 2 you def. have a chance from a roll, will still be close though. From a dig we still got you, but again still close. And people say the bolt is 10K cheaper than an evo and stilL can keep up. Bullshit. Ha people have to sit in an evo and drive it to really know why its 10K more than a bolt. And not to mention all the little shit that it has that the bolt doesnt and all the extra goodies. But as long as an EVO has TBE,intake,cams,tune,fuel pump blah blah blah...your fucked lol. Just giving you my 2 cents about both cars love both, the bolt is a nasty car, no hate towards the bolt i loved the thing, but after having an evo i wouldnt go back. hope that helps? :twothumbs

GM stage 2 i will have a vid late tonight when my firend uploads it it was at night and he stuck the camera outside so windy and he was in the rear seat

good i want to see!

Nice research, + rep

ive got a video for all of you to put everything in perspective it will be loaded shortly

yea i guess that makes sense because we have only been talking about modded vs modded for half the thread right? and your car is 100% not as quick as an evo IX stock or modded, mod for mod, straight line, in the twisties, any way you want to look at it the IX is a faster car PERIOD. The IX has gone as fast as 12.9@106 stock. That is a car that will easily take you from a roll and absolutely annihilate you from a dig with the right driver. You guys are kidding yourselves if you think differently. I don't care how many of you have beaten them from rolls or digs, unless you have quite a few mods and they are stock it was driver error on their part it is just a much quicker car. This is what i am telling you from experience with friend's evos, evos at the track, on the street, etc. That doesn't show anything negative about the ss/sc, the evo is just in a different league here guys.

facts-

evo ix's put down around 225whp ON MUSTANG DYNOS. I have seen it done and just in case you didn't know, most mustang dyno's read lower than dynojets. They also put down about 240-245 ft lbs. On a dj that translates to eh 235awhp, 255-260 awtq. 8's read a bit lower, but not a ton. peak power numbers don't mean much and the evo has a great torque curve.

I'm just happy GM did an extremely smart thing by making a car that could keep up with our popular Evo's and STi's and still be for the most part extremely affordable. Too bad they are discontinuing the SS/SC I really love the car. If only more people knew the REAL facts about it they probably wouldn't go buy an EVO or STi and could easily spend about $1000ish and cream these cars totaling to $22000ish compared to $30k.

lmao take your car to the track kid people buy sti's cause they like the track , last time i checked they didnt have a freeway at the dragstrip you obviouslly dont know shit about evo's /sti's and i bet if you put 1,000 into your ss/sc you wouldnt break out of the 14's

Maybe you should read the first 2 pages. Especially firemanfrank's posts.

i did and i read enough to know that ALL you do is roll race

+1, you guys are comparing a mid 14 second car (average) to a mid 13 second car (average) the ss/sc is capable of low 14's, ix's have gone 12's so i am really giving you the benefit of the doubt and the ss/sc is still waaaaay behind. trap speeds of around 100 vs 104-106? they are just incomparable stock and mod for mod. It seems like this forum sees one kill story that is proven by video and then all of a sudden BOOM everyone has beaten them and they are easy kills, no matter what it is.

Actually I don't do either, I don't have an SS/SC. But all I really do is highway runs which is why I stated earlier that I ONLY cared about hp/weight ratio.

I guess I can argue that a little I've seen 13.9 w/stg 2, intake, and exhaust:lol:

They are definitely not comparable mod for mod. I'm generally saying you get more bang for your buck with the SS/SC and if you wanted to, you could invest $30k in the Cobalt inluding the car and go much faster than if you were to just buy a $30k EVO/STi by itself. Do you understand me now?

I agree with the comparison that it doesn't match. Obviously 2 different classes of cars. But I see some points others are making. Some people do act like cars like the evo or sti are unbeatable by cars from a less class. Stock vs. stock I agree those 2 cars are better and they should be for what you gotta pay for them. I would think that when you talk about mod vs. mod that you can do some things that will get you into the same league as the evo/sti. Obviously the only main mod you can do to get into that league is a turbo swap or twinscrew. Cause I'm more than convinced that no matter what you do the m62 just ain't gonna get it done.

I understand you are ignorant but name-calling and obnoxious statements are unwelcome here and looked down upon. So please cut it out and stay on topic with the research and facts.