2.0L LSJ Performance Tech 205hp Supercharged SS tuner version. 200 lb-ft of torque.

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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 06:46 AM
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Thumbs down top end = fail

This has been a problem for a couple months now and I can't figure out why. Nobody I know can figure out exactly why..

Anything after 2nd gear @ WOT is slow as hell. I'm on GM stg2 right now & 2.9" pulley... Intake.. exhaust.. blah blah.. Ran very strong a couple months ago and now my top end went to s***. Horribly.

I'm just wondering if anyone has ever seemed to have the same problem? Heard of the problem? Maybe I can relate to some of you? What was the problem?

I'm just clueless about what it could be. Anyone who's got a reasonable idea as to what this could be go ahead and gimme your input. Maybe I can gain a better idea of what could potentially be wrong. Thanks.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 06:47 AM
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Maybe you are just so used to the power it now "feels slower"

trust me, I have this problem...
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tREBs
Maybe you are just so used to the power it now "feels slower"

trust me, I have this problem...
No. I am basing it off of racing the same cars before and after this problem.. Also had my friend keep track of some data on HPTuners..

My trap speed has probably decreased around 7-9mph based on how bad it is.. The car is damn near as slow as stock.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 06:53 AM
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No. I am basing it off of racing the same cars before and after this problem.. Also had my friend keep track of some data on HPTuners..

My trap speed has probably decreased around 7-9mph based on how bad it is.. The car is damn near as slow as stock.
ahh well then...

Sounds to me like there could be a boost leak?

check your spark plugs/ injectors?
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 06:55 AM
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Bring it back to the dealership that you got it installed at or whatever and ask them to look at it and see if they can figure out the problem, I imagine its covered under warranty so you should be all set there.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 06:59 AM
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ahh well then...

Sounds to me like there could be a boost leak?

check your spark plugs/ injectors?
I believe I'm boosting fine..

It knocks at the top of 3rd though.. I've checked the plugs but I'll probably try to do that again.. Havent checked injectors
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 07:00 AM
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He's forgetting the n02 he was running for a minute
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Supercharged Guy
Bring it back to the dealership that you got it installed at or whatever and ask them to look at it and see if they can figure out the problem, I imagine its covered under warranty so you should be all set there.
What if I didn't get it installed at a dealership? I don't think it matters because I was informed by the GM headquarters that I could install it myself and it would remain under warranty.

Think I have to put the 3.0 on instead of the 2.9 before taking it in? Because that would be a bitch. And what should I tell the dealership exactly?

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He's forgetting the n02 he was running for a minute
Wouldn't I have had the problem during the short time I had it in if that had something to do with it? Or what do you think it could be that is causing this right now..

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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 07:04 AM
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They will know your tuned .. The PCM keeps track if number of reflashes

Could be a number of things ....

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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 07:06 AM
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They've never said anything about being tuned. I reflash back to stage 2 before going every time..

Assuming they wont make a problem out of that what can I tell the dealership to check on?
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ChriSS/SC
Wouldn't I have had the problem during the short time I had it in if that had something to do with it? Or what do you think it could be that is causing this right now..
nope, it can cause cascading issues that may not be visible until later.

i'd recommend a compression test to make sure the rings aren't going bad. -- tell the stealerhsip that a local mechanic/friend recommended a compression test, but his tester was broken and couldn't do it
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 07:48 AM
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Have you checked to see if your Intercooler Pump is still working? This sounds very typical of a dead/dying Intercooler Pump.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 07:52 AM
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Thats what my friends SS/SC started doing when the fuel rail was full of **** . Might be worth checking into.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 07:55 AM
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Have you checked to see if your Intercooler Pump is still working? This sounds very typical of a dead/dying Intercooler Pump.
My feeling.

It will heatsoak BAD. And can cause a drop in speed that substantial as IAT2's go high. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that your IAT2's touch 200 if not higher.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 09:39 AM
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That would cause noticeable drop in boost right? About 10 psi if he continued the abuse? something to look for OP. Log IAT's too.
Compression test would be good to know, but needed? He said anything after 2nd WOT, I would think it would happen throughout every gear.

Was this problem happening with the nitrous, not too clear about? If it wasnt then that could be another sign it was heatsoak.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFieldMP
Have you checked to see if your Intercooler Pump is still working? This sounds very typical of a dead/dying Intercooler Pump.
Yea I just replaced mine right around 60,000 miles
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 09:50 AM
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That would cause noticeable drop in boost right? About 10 psi if he continued the abuse? something to look for OP. Log IAT's too.
Compression test would be good to know, but needed? He said anything after 2nd WOT, I would think it would happen throughout every gear.
What, the intercooler pump going out? Mine didn't show any boost decrease when it went out. It would boil all of the coolant out of the intercooler though, it you did a 2-4 pull... or two of them.

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Yea I just replaced mine right around 60,000 miles
I had to replace mine somewhere in the 50k to 60k range.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 09:57 AM
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I need a 4th one. These pumps suck.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFieldMP
I had to replace mine somewhere in the 50k to 60k range.
It's the only Ford part on my car
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 10:11 AM
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List of stuff to check from easiest to hardest before u go to the dealer. Why woould it be a bitch to go back to a 3"? did u change the hub too? I can do a pulley change in 5-10 mins with an axe head and allen key.

Check coolant level. If none seen then refill with engine running to get air out and check after next drive of 20+ mins. If seen is coolant swishing around with engine running?

log iat2 temps if going to 150+ in anything but 2+ 2-4 gear pulls in a row then ur pump is bad. temps will not drop fast if pump is broken.

do a log of idc, kr, iat1, iat2
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by G85 SS
I need a 4th one. These pumps suck.
I won't ever need one... ever again.

Originally Posted by Black SS/SC 06
It's the only Ford part on my car
Meh... its a Bosch part. Both GM and Ford get the same pump from Bosch... but it IS a lot less expensive to buy the Ford Racing version of it.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFieldMP
I won't ever need one... ever again.
I'm trying to stretch this one until the swap. Not sure if it will happen.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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Replace your fuel filter. This happen to me with my old 1G talon. Turned out that it was getting starved of fuel in the top end because of a cloged filter. Hope you find the problem.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFieldMP
Meh... its a Bosch part. Both GM and Ford get the same pump from Bosch... but it IS a lot less expensive to buy the Ford Racing version of it.
True. Lol.
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Old Dec 16, 2009 | 10:30 AM
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What are your current miles? What tune do you run usually? What kind of boost do you see and do you notice a difference? What are some maintenance things you have done, like fuel filter, seafoam, anything engine necessity related.
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