im switching over to a vibrant long tube header....frm what ive hear ill get more overall hp than i will with my 4 - 1 shorty and the downpipe. i just get more low end tq, which is 100% unneeded in an FWD car, lol. anyone think this is a good idea...i mean i already ordered the ****, so ill c how it goes. who here has vibrant long tubes.

and if anyone is interested, my CA 4 - 1 shorty header and my CA highflow 3" downpipe will be for sale once them come off.

the 4 - 1 shorty has been heat molded so there will be no fitment issue with the coolent pipe underneath the header.

and the downpipe has a fiting for a vibrant exhaust....so idk who has a vibrant exhaust...so if any1 is interested in either parts just PM me or sumthing

 

prolly a waist of $ for the extra 2 hp you might see

 

from what matt at tune time performance said theres definatly a differnce...from what he explained to me

 

not saying hes lying, but you gotta remember his job is a salesmen

 

the guy who runs tune time? he doesnt sell performance parts.....hes a mechanic, and he does dyno tuning

he told me switching mite be a good idea for some increased hp...he wouldnt be making any money off it, lol

 

I think the Vibrant long-tube will be more efficent on your car, but I think it'd be overkill for the 2.2/2.4. Long tubes typically generate more hp in the mid to high portion of a car's powerband, whereas a shorty header gives more power in the low to mid portion. Since you have a supercharger, you don't really need to focus on your low-mid as much as us 2.2/2.4 owners. For 2.4 owners like myself, I think the CA header is superior, but for you and other S/C owners, def go with Vibrant, as it has a 3" collector versus the 2.25" collector on the CA header, and will better complete your overall power band.

 

yea, frm what i was told by him its better for me....and yea, im running full 3 inch, so itd be nice to have unrestricted flow the whole way

 

What do you want for the CA header?

 

^^X2..What kinda price you lookin for, for the header? What about the DP? With or without cat?

 

The long tubes are too Raw!! way better than any shorty and down pipe you will most definitly be very happy with it. congrats ; )

 

zzp's shorty comes with a 3 inch collector

if i ever went to a long tube i would just go to a pace setter

or this one , **** you should have bought this one

JP0927 - JBP Vortex T304 Stainless 4-1 Header
Price: [$867.9 (US$763.75)]
31.2WHP GAIN w/JBP 3.0" & JBP Intake!! Comes with:

- T304 Stainless Steel Flanges
- T304 O2 Bung
- T304 O2 WideBand-Bung (optional)
- T304 O2 Bung Plug (optional)
- Electropolished Finish (optional)
- Header Wrap for #2 primary
- Computer Tuned primaries 1⅝"
- T304 14 gauge Tube construction
- 3.0" T304 Stainless Formed Collector
- Bolts straight to stock down pipe
- Includes all mounting hardware
- Includes new stainles steel bolts
- Fits Cobalt SS

With the best gains in the market, you are definatley getting what you pay for. In combination with our JBP Vortex exhaust and JBP Vortex intake, we've achieved an unpresidented full 31WHP gain! This is truly unbelivable and far exceeds our projected gains of 15-20WHP.

or this one , **** you should have bought this one

JP0927 - JBP Vortex T304 Stainless 4-1 Header
Price: [$867.9 (US$763.75)]
31.2WHP GAIN w/JBP 3.0" & JBP Intake!! Comes with:

- T304 Stainless Steel Flanges
- T304 O2 Bung
- T304 O2 WideBand-Bung (optional)
- T304 O2 Bung Plug (optional)
- Electropolished Finish (optional)
- Header Wrap for #2 primary
- Computer Tuned primaries 1⅝"
- T304 14 gauge Tube construction
- 3.0" T304 Stainless Formed Collector
- Bolts straight to stock down pipe
- Includes all mounting hardware
- Includes new stainles steel bolts
- Fits Cobalt SS

With the best gains in the market, you are definatley getting what you pay for. In combination with our JBP Vortex exhaust and JBP Vortex intake, we've achieved an unpresidented full 31WHP gain! This is truly unbelivable and far exceeds our projected gains of 15-20WHP.

 

You do know bigger is not always better right? You have to size your exhaust for the power output of your engine, since to big an exhaust will cause restrictions the same as too small an exhaust.

 

as long as i have enough back pressure i should be ok, at 20psi i should be alright

 

Details on seperate prices for the header, DP??

 

Actually, what I was referring to is that if you have too much pipe for the mass of your exhaust, it will allow it to expand through more area, loose heat, and condense. This will slow down the flow of your exhaust, actually creating back pressure (which you don't want), and impeding you low rpm performance. In fact, if you go way to big, it will effect you mid range and possibly even high range performance.

With 3", your going to mostly loose some low end power. Not really a bad thing with the SS/SC since it has too much low end power for a FWD car.

 

o alright, i didnt rlly c where u were comin from b4. yea, i dont mind losing some bottom end power....to much is never good for FWD

 

just to let you know... The vibrant exhaust is not a true and i mean true 3 inch exhaust its 2.5 inchs as is the collector for their header and downpipe then about mid range goes to 3 inchs.....its not that the collector of the downpipe is 3 inch its actually 2.5 which mates up to the 2.5 inch exhaust that then goes to 3 inchs

 

well technically your exhaust is only as big as your smallest piece

 

Just so you know, the only person that we know of to date that has purchased this header couldn't get it to fit on the car and JBP gave him a refund because it was impossible to make it fit. There are no pictures of JBP ever having this installed on a car and no dyno numbers posted. If you ask me, their HP claim is bullshit.

 

i dont even want to voice an opinion of them

 

junk body perfomance over charges for everything horably, when you start charging more then hahn...you have a problem

 

which will perform better and sound better overall...3" vibrant exhaust or 2.5' magnaflow exhaust?

 

Then who is making a true Stainless Steel FULL 3" exhaust ?

 

I believe CTI does.

 

My weapon R long tube is amazing