This week's twin charge build, 361WHP
09-01-2009, 04:54 PM
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This week's twin charge build, 361WHP
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Bill came to just over 6 grand total and included our 3" exhaust, axles, clutch,60# injectors, alum flywheel, brakes, dyno tuning, and all labor.
Twin charge kit was 3200 with 256 turbo, larger IC, BRFP, alum intake tube.
Buyer put a deposit in some time ago which grandfathered him in as the 3rd buyer so he got $200 off for that.
93 octane, 11.5 AF ratio, 16.5 deg timing, 113 IATs, 361WHP at 7k rpm
Stock engine, head, cam, valve springs, etc. Only mods are parts listed in this post.
Bill came to just over 6 grand total and included our 3" exhaust, axles, clutch,60# injectors, alum flywheel, brakes, dyno tuning, and all labor.
Twin charge kit was 3200 with 256 turbo, larger IC, BRFP, alum intake tube.
Buyer put a deposit in some time ago which grandfathered him in as the 3rd buyer so he got $200 off for that.
93 octane, 11.5 AF ratio, 16.5 deg timing, 113 IATs, 361WHP at 7k rpm
Stock engine, head, cam, valve springs, etc. Only mods are parts listed in this post.
09-01-2009, 05:11 PM
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who cares if you buddy did it for 2200 by going just turbo. Maybe this guy doesn't have the know how or the tools to do this job. Maybe he wanted to be diff. and do the twincharge instead of a hahn stage 5. It seems like most people care more about putting everything down then trying to just help people out.
09-01-2009, 05:17 PM
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who cares if you buddy did it for 2200 by going just turbo. Maybe this guy doesn't have the know how or the tools to do this job. Maybe he wanted to be diff. and do the twincharge instead of a hahn stage 5. It seems like most people care more about putting everything down then trying to just help people out.
09-01-2009, 05:17 PM
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He didn't just get his car to make big horsepower... he got brakes, alum flywheel, (lighter reciprocating mass for faster rev), axles and a clutch to handle the extra HP.
Anyone knows this kind of HP is available with bolt on goods and a tune. From what it sounds like, THIS guy did it right by ensuring the rest of the car was more capable of handling extra HP...
Unlike some of the dyno queens I've seen on here.
09-01-2009, 05:20 PM
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thats a good point! its always smart to upgrade the brakes and even the suspension when adding more HP. The clutch and flywheel i could see as a necessity upgrade just to put down the added power.
09-01-2009, 05:26 PM
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So the 'buddy' that did it for ~2200...did he do all that crap too for that price?
I highly doubt it.
09-01-2009, 05:26 PM
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How much was the turbo kit on that $2200 build? What clutch did he buy? Which axles? What catback did he buy? Where did you guys dyno and how much did they charge? What brakes is he running? How much did he pay for his aluminum flywheel? What times does he run at the track?
TVS 1800
Nitrous 500
dyno 200
injectors 200
HP tuner 500
LS4 TB 75
Intake 200
Header/downpipe 400
Exhaust 500
Looks like you just spent 4375 to hit 361WHP and it only does it on the spray and will toast your stock clutch. So we'll add brakes, flywheel, clutch, axles to that and get??? And BTW, this is with you doing it all yourself, LOL.
09-01-2009, 05:26 PM
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you people do realize this car makes 200whp at 3500rpm right? thats over 50whp more at 3500rpm than the hahn turbo setup.
also he didnt pay $6000 to make 361whp, he paid $3200 (which is much cheaper than the hahn stage 5, and a way better bang for your buck over the TVS). the rest are recommended upgrades which any type of setup making this power would require to run safely and repeatdly.
zzp for the win!
also he didnt pay $6000 to make 361whp, he paid $3200 (which is much cheaper than the hahn stage 5, and a way better bang for your buck over the TVS). the rest are recommended upgrades which any type of setup making this power would require to run safely and repeatdly.
zzp for the win!
09-01-2009, 05:31 PM
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he used a ebay turbo housing with greddy internals, he has drilled and slotted rotors with not sure which pads he bought off of ebay, stock axles, SMG Motoring ( supporting vendor ) catback 3 inch, and hes on stock clutch/flywheel right now, but will be putting in a exedy clutch/flywheel setup shortly.
Also SMG motoring installed, tuned, and dynoed the car, im not sure if im allowed to talk their prices individually for any of that. and no one mentioned anything about it being hahn, i can see where this is going with that....
Also SMG motoring installed, tuned, and dynoed the car, im not sure if im allowed to talk their prices individually for any of that. and no one mentioned anything about it being hahn, i can see where this is going with that....
09-01-2009, 05:45 PM
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plus if he wants to include track times i think drag tires and rims would also need to be added to the equation if we want to throw every number possible out there....
and no the tune would not cost 500, nor would an exhaust cost 500 if made in shop at SMG, and an LS4 tb was not used so the 75 can be cut out. theres many different factors for each persons setups.
and no the tune would not cost 500, nor would an exhaust cost 500 if made in shop at SMG, and an LS4 tb was not used so the 75 can be cut out. theres many different factors for each persons setups.
09-01-2009, 05:46 PM
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he used a ebay turbo housing with greddy internals, he has drilled and slotted rotors with not sure which pads he bought off of ebay, stock axles, SMG Motoring ( supporting vendor ) catback 3 inch, and hes on stock clutch/flywheel right now, but will be putting in a exedy clutch/flywheel setup shortly.
Also SMG motoring installed, tuned, and dynoed the car, im not sure if im allowed to talk their prices individually for any of that. and no one mentioned anything about it being hahn, i can see where this is going with that....
Also SMG motoring installed, tuned, and dynoed the car, im not sure if im allowed to talk their prices individually for any of that. and no one mentioned anything about it being hahn, i can see where this is going with that....
09-01-2009, 05:49 PM
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plus if he wants to include track times i think drag tires and rims would also need to be added to the equation if we want to throw every number possible out there....
and no the tune would not cost 500, nor would an exhaust cost 500 if made in shop at SMG, and an LS4 tb was not used so the 75 can be cut out. theres many different factors for each persons setups.
and no the tune would not cost 500, nor would an exhaust cost 500 if made in shop at SMG, and an LS4 tb was not used so the 75 can be cut out. theres many different factors for each persons setups.
09-01-2009, 05:50 PM
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So you're talking about a guy who bought random parts from all over on Ebay, did the work himself and has way less mods than this guy and you're claiming he got ripped off because your boy paid 2200 and he paid 6k? Well in that case I know a guy who paid $300 for a used nitrous kit and sprayed his Mustand and ran 11's. You're boy got ripped off. $2200 and he could have made the HP for $300 with a used nitrous kit off ebay.
09-01-2009, 05:50 PM
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plus if he wants to include track times i think drag tires and rims would also need to be added to the equation if we want to throw every number possible out there....
and no the tune would not cost 500, nor would an exhaust cost 500 if made in shop at SMG, and an LS4 tb was not used so the 75 can be cut out. theres many different factors for each persons setups.
and no the tune would not cost 500, nor would an exhaust cost 500 if made in shop at SMG, and an LS4 tb was not used so the 75 can be cut out. theres many different factors for each persons setups.
What's the fastest hahn Cobalt?
What's the fastest TVS or nitrous Cobalt?
What's the fastest Turbo converted Cobalt?
show me which post where i specifically state that your boy got ripped off? I didnt cause I didnt say that, your twisting my words and making it something its not. And just because it was random parts off of ebay doesnt make it bad, you can find good bargins on ebay which he did. Smart shopper if you will. My boy didnt get ripped off, he has a reliable car with numbers similar to yours at a cheaper cost. thats all it is. im not starting a war, im just simply stating what happened to someone i know. take it how you want.
I took it as a completely unfair comparison. Someone buying random parts off ebay, not posting a dyno or running at the track, not doing 1/2 the mods this guy did and then saying it was cheaper. Anyway can buy less parts, do the labor themselves, get less and have it be cheaper.
09-01-2009, 05:51 PM
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yes I understand this, its two different builds alltogether, even if you added these prices and pieces to my buddies car itd still come in less expensive. not saying ZZP built a bad car because im sure its fun, and one hell of a ride, just saying my buddy went a different route, achieved similar results and saved a few dollars.