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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 11:01 PM
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Ethanol free 91

Where I live there is ethanol free gas advertised everywhere. I was just wondering what ethanol free 91 would be like in my car? Okay? Or bad? I know the ethanol in fuel isn't very efficient when it comes to mpg and performance but I was jw. Would I need a different tune as well? I wouldn't think I would and I'm about to install my new PnP throttle body that I got on here. So I thought it would be cool to do both at once. Would I see any gains?
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 11:12 PM
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ethanol is what you want for performance, there is 0% ethanol in the gas i use and even being 94 octane its wanting to knock at low timing levels. generally most cars can cope with %0-%10 ethanol without any issues. i think you need a bit more info before more people can help you out on here. like what engine/tune do you have
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 11:13 PM
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ethanol is what you want for performance, there is 0% ethanol in the gas i use and even being 94 octane its wanting to knock at low timing levels. generally most cars can cope with %0-%10 ethanol without any issues. i think you need a bit more info before more people can help you out on here. like what engine/tune do you have
I don't have a tune and I have a 2.2 N/A engine
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 11:18 PM
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I don't have a tune and I have a 2.2 N/A engine
I had the misfortune of running ethanol-free 91 on my bolted 2.2 and it was ****. Knock out the ass. Never again.


Where are you located?
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 11:26 PM
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I had the misfortune of running ethanol-free 91 on my bolted 2.2 and it was ****. Knock out the ass. Never again. Where are you located?
southwest Florida. 8ft above sea level. And I think I'll stick to running 93 then. I run 93 now and it's fine.
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by nathan112i
ethanol is what you want for performance, there is 0% ethanol in the gas i use and even being 94 octane its wanting to knock at low timing levels. generally most cars can cope with %0-%10 ethanol without any issues. i think you need a bit more info before more people can help you out on here. like what engine/tune do you have
94 is E-10. 10% E doesn't require a tune I like E-10 fuel wish I could get up to E-47 at least. Do you have a way to log knock? If so try it and if it doesn't knock which on stock tune it shouldn't you'll get a tiny bit more mileage but so small you prob wouldn't notice
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 11:41 PM
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94 does not contain any ethanol here unfortunately.
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nathan112i
94 does not contain any ethanol here unfortunately.
Are you sure Chevrons in Kelowna do.
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 11:53 PM
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yes on the mainland there is ethanol in the gas, everywhere in nanaimo has 0% ethanol in the gas no matter the grade. i went hunting for it with no luck
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Old Oct 27, 2014 | 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by nathan112i
94 does not contain any ethanol here unfortunately.
Car Care FAQs

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Q. What is Ethanol?
A. Ethanol is ethyl alcohol or grain alcohol, mainly produced in the Midwestern United States from corn stock and in more limited quantities in Canada from wheat. It can be used as a biofuel alternative to gasoline. British Columbia and Canada require that gasolines contain an average of 5 % renewable fuel content. To meet BC's Renewable Fuel Standard, Chevron gasolines may contain up to 10% ethanol.
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 01:52 AM
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I'm jealous of all you guys that have access to 93, 94... ******. I'm lucky to have an E85 station about 25 miles from my house, which is on the way to work. But I'm not tuned for it yet.
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 02:07 AM
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I'm jealous of all you guys that have access to 93, 94... ******. I'm lucky to have an E85 station about 25 miles from my house, which is on the way to work. But I'm not tuned for it yet.
Well I'd rather have E here than 94 but with 94 and meth injection I was still able to get 20* on my bigwheel LNF
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 02:36 AM
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Well I'd rather have E here than 94 but with 94 and meth injection I was still able to get 20* on my bigwheel LNF
I am not even boosted but I'd still like access to at least 93. I'd like to dyno my car NA with E85 just to see how it does before boosting it.


My 2.2NA gets no respect, which is exactly how I want it. It's got just enough power to put to shame any dumb ******** with completely stock cars who want to "put me in my place." Like the guy in the '14 Tundra this afternoon.
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by supernovanator
I am not even boosted but I'd still like access to at least 93. I'd like to dyno my car NA with E85 just to see how it does before boosting it.


My 2.2NA gets no respect, which is exactly how I want it. It's got just enough power to put to shame any dumb ******** with completely stock cars who want to "put me in my place." Like the guy in the '14 Tundra this afternoon.
I haven't seen a N/A 93 vs N/A E85 done before
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I'm gonna try like a couple gallons of 91 ethanol free and see how it goes. If bad I'll just fill the rest up with 93
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 10:14 AM
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I don't have a tune and I have a 2.2 N/A engine
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I'm gonna try like a couple gallons of 91 ethanol free and see how it goes. If bad I'll just fill the rest up with 93
Since you don't have a tune you should be more than fine the car is tuned to not need 91 stock

What bolt ons do you have
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 10:16 AM
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Since you don't have a tune you should be more than fine the car is tuned to not need 91 stock What bolt ons do you have
I have a header, a catback, a CAI and I'm about to put a PnP throttle body on.
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 10:36 AM
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I have a header, a catback, a CAI and I'm about to put a PnP throttle body on.
I would get a tune if I was you the Cai and tb will throw the fuel trims off
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 11:36 AM
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I would get a tune if I was you the Cai and tb will throw the fuel trims off
there's no point in getting a tune now, I was trying to just buy a 2.2 pcm that's been tuned for an 07+ cobalt with similar mods, but I'm buying the first part for my supercharger on Friday. I'm gonna piece it together. I've been running 93 with everything but the throttle body and it's been fine.
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 12:39 PM
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93 is a little unnecessary.
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sandman
93 is a little unnecessary.
I was told that it was okay to do it because it's cleaner and the few extra bucks doesn't hurt me.
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 05:14 PM
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I was told that it was okay to do it because it's cleaner and the few extra bucks doesn't hurt me.
It's good to do for you because your trims will be off so it'll give you some headroom but on a stock tune it's still prob a bit much
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 05:20 PM
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It's good to do for you because your trims will be off so it'll give you some headroom but on a stock tune it's still prob a bit much
oh well I'm gonna rebuild the engine anyways if it comes down to it effecting it that much.
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 05:29 PM
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oh well I'm gonna rebuild the engine anyways if it comes down to it effecting it that much.
Not what I meant. With the fuel trims off the computer has to compensate to get to the target A/F ratio which can result in knock. Your car in tuned for 87 so after you added all the mods which threw off the MAF trims going to a higher octane is a good idea but I think 93 is too much so I believe you can get away with 89 to 91 with 93 being a waste on the extra money
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Old Oct 28, 2014 | 05:34 PM
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Not what I meant. With the fuel trims off the computer has to compensate to get to the target A/F ratio which can result in knock. Your car in tuned for 87 so after you added all the mods which threw off the MAF trims going to a higher octane is a good idea but I think 93 is too much so I believe you can get away with 89 to 91 with 93 being a waste on the extra money
91 ethanol free and 93 (I think it has ethanol) are the same amount of $$$
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