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strykr 06-29-2011 01:42 PM

Gen 1 vs Gen 2 block?
 
Just curious what the differences are between the I-Gen and II-Gen blocks are? I keep hearing about them, and see them on ZZP. Tried to look into it with no real luck..

Blk08coupe 06-29-2011 04:27 PM

The GenII has thicker mains, extra reinforcements down low and is an all around stronger block design.

Leafydialupking 06-29-2011 06:25 PM

Gen II can supposedly take 600 hp on the stock block with no extra girdle bracing or whatever.

strykr 06-29-2011 08:29 PM

Is the 2010 2.2 (LAP) Gen 2? or is gen1-gen2 only 2.0's

Leafydialupking 06-29-2011 08:30 PM

Yeah the LAP is 2nd gen and so is the LE5.

strykr 06-29-2011 08:32 PM

So I take it the rods n pistons are still crap on these 2.2's and need to be replaced for my turbo build?

Leafydialupking 06-29-2011 08:33 PM

Yup, only mainstream eco's with forged internals were the lk9, lsj, lnf, and 06-07 le5's.

conerboner 06-29-2011 08:35 PM

07 and up 2.2 has the gen II block I believe. someone correct me if i'm wrong

Brags 06-29-2011 08:38 PM

You are correct 07+ l61, LE5, LAP, LNF.

Leafydialupking 06-29-2011 08:42 PM

All le5's. And after 07 the have shitty powder rods like the 2.2.

ECaulk 06-29-2011 10:12 PM

the rods still can handle a fair amount of power with proper tuning, i'm not talking 300whp, but 240ish with a good tune is safe.

Leafydialupking 06-29-2011 10:15 PM

Oh yeah 250 is fine on the stock rods. Hell GM proved it with nitrous. With a good tune you can see more than 250 wheel safely, not much more though.

alanoo 07-03-2011 06:33 AM

By any chance, do anyone know how you can tell if a specific block is Gen 1 or gen 2 ?

I mean with a casting number, precise pics or a specific aera on the block... without having to trust a seller on the model year of the car it comes...

1LowLS 07-03-2011 06:58 AM

Here ya go.Everything they changed from gen1 to genII.
.Had to educate a LNF owner on another forum that did not believe me.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
On engines produced before 2007, spark was produced via 2 coils in a cassette that bolted to the top of the valve cover which contained the boots for each spark plug on the bottom of it, eliminating the need for wires. In 2007 the L61 was upgraded with a new Gen II engine block, cylinder head improvements, new camshaft design, E37 engine control module, 58X crankshaft reluctor ring, digital crank and cam sensors, individual coil-on-plug ignition, vented starter solenoid, new MAP sensor, new intake manifold seals, new oil filter element, a 32-bit computer, and improved emissions performance.


Originally Posted by GMInsideNews.Com
2007 Ecotec 2.2L I4 ( L61 )

ECOTEC 2.2L I4 (L61) CAR AND TRUCK ENGINE
2007 Model Year Summary

• Gen II Engine Block
• Cylinder Head Improvements
• New Camshaft Design
• E37 Engine Control Module
• 58X Crankshaft Reluctor Ring
• Digital Crank and Cam Sensors
• Individual Coil-on-Plug Ignition
• Vented Starter Solenoid
• New MAP Sensor
• New Intake Manifold Seals
• New Oil Filter Element
• Improved Emissions Performance


Originally Posted by ECOTECFORUM.COM
Full Description of New and Updated Features

Gen II Engine Block
The Ecotec 2.2L starts with a refined engine block, introduced for 2006 with the Ecotec 2.4L VVT (RPO LE5). The Gen II block was developed with data acquired in racing programs and the latest math-based tools. Both the bore walls and bulkheads, or the structural elements that support the crank bearings, have been strengthened, with only a minimal weight increase (approximately 2.5 pounds). The coolant jackets have been expanded, allowing more precise bore roundness and improving the block’s ability to dissipate heat. Coolant capacity increases approximately .5 liter.

The cylinder block is the engine’s foundation, and crucial to its durability, output and smooth operation. For GM, the common Gen II Ecotec block increases assembly efficiency. For the customer, the result is more efficient cooling, more strength to accommodate additional power, as in the new Ecotec 2.0L direct-injection Turbo (RPO LNF) and better noise, vibration and harshness control.

Cylinder Head Improvements
The Ecotec 2.2L also benefits from cylinder head refinements introduced on the 2.4L VVT. The exhaust ports have been enlarged slightly with machining improvements to expel exhaust gas more efficiently. Both engines share a common nodular cast iron exhaust manifold, chosen for its durability and sound-deadening properties. The improvements to the cylinder head increase Ecotec 2.2L horsepower slightly in most applications (see specs).

New Camshaft Design
The exhaust cam has been re-profiled to take advantage of refinements in the cylinder head. Maximum exhaust valve lift does not change, but duration increases slightly. The cams also feature a new 4X timing reluctor, replacing timing sensors previously contained in the ignition-coil cassette (see Individual Coil-On-Plug ignition, below). The powder metal reluctor wheel is pressed onto the camshaft at the rear. The 4X reluctor improves ignition timing accuracy and maintains precise consistency over the life of the engine.

Individual Coil-On-Plug Ignition
The Ecotec 2.2.L is equipped with individual coil-on-plug ignition, or four separate coils. Each coil sits directly over a spark plug, with no wire in between. Previous Ecotec 2.2Ls had two coils in a single cassette, with each coil shared by two spark plugs. Individual coil-on-plug delivers maximum voltage and the most consistent spark density. The 2.2L’s cast aluminum cam cover has been redesigned to accommodate the four coils.

E37 Engine Control Module
An advanced controller manages the multitude of operations that occur within the Ecotec 2.2L every split second. The E37 is the S-3 Controller within GM’s new family of three engine control modules (ECM) that will direct nearly all the engines in Powertrain’s line-up. The E37 is the high-value variant, yet it’s anything but basic. It features 32-bit processing, compared to the conventional 16-bit processing in previous Ecotec 2.2Ls. It operates at 59 MHz, with 32 megabytes of flash memory, 128 kilobytes of RAM and a high-speed CAN bus, and it synchronizes several dozen functions, from spark timing to cruise control operation to traction control calculations. The E37 works roughly 50 times faster than the first computers used on internal combustion engines in the late 1970s, which managed five or six functions.


007CobaltLS 07-05-2011 02:18 AM

So I should definitely be safe to run the ZZP stage 2 SC setup on my stock internals as long as my tune is done well? Want to make sure because next summer I'm finally going FI with my car after 4 years of slowly building up to it. 225WHP is my goal, but if more is made off of it, I'll be happy. I say 225 because as you can see by my sig, I'm auto. I couldn't remember how much power everyone said these engines can take stock before parts need replacing.

rcorona8 07-05-2011 02:27 AM

2007 lsj sc is gen 1 block?

ECaulk 07-05-2011 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by 007CobaltLS (Post 5892564)
So I should definitely be safe to run the ZZP stage 2 SC setup on my stock internals as long as my tune is done well? Want to make sure because next summer I'm finally going FI with my car after 4 years of slowly building up to it. 225WHP is my goal, but if more is made off of it, I'll be happy. I say 225 because as you can see by my sig, I'm auto. I couldn't remember how much power everyone said these engines can take stock before parts need replacing.

yes you should be fine, just dont beat on it and take care of it and it will take care of you


Originally Posted by rcorona8 (Post 5892573)
2007 lsj sc is gen 1 block?

07+ should be gen 2, but lsj has different internals, i would suggest looking here 2.0L LSJ Performance Tech - Cobalt SS Network for your lsj info

Bumsnee 09-28-2018 08:53 AM

Heads
 
Will a gen 2 head off of a 2007 l61 work on a gen 1 block out of a 03 (I think) cavalier?

Slowbalt2000 09-28-2018 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by Bumsnee (Post 7699243)
Will a gen 2 head off of a 2007 l61 work on a gen 1 block out of a 03 (I think) cavalier?

yes as long as its going into a car that uses a gen2 head.

07blackg5 09-28-2018 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by Slowbalt2000 (Post 7699307)
yes as long as its going into a car that uses a gen2 head.

different crank trigger wheel

Slowbalt2000 09-30-2018 07:58 PM

Yeah you have to use the right crank but the block doesnt matter

Bumsnee 10-10-2018 09:28 AM

Are the crankshaft interchangeable will the Gen 1 crank fit in a Gen 2 block correctly

07blackg5 10-10-2018 11:12 AM

yes


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