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Not happy with Midlength gains

Old Mar 5, 2013 | 05:10 PM
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Not happy with Midlength gains

So i have intake, 2.4 manifold, 2.25" options racing exhaust, and I added a ZZP catted midlength combo with 1.75" primaries. Also have an hp tune (before midlength).

So its louder, sounds crazy but obviously too loud, gotta add a chamber muffler on the back. But im not impressed with the gains, maybe theres a little gain from like 60mph+ on the highway, no difference in 1st/2nd gear, I reset the battery, thought it helped but was really a placebo.

My question is how much of a difference will it make if I retune for the midlength? I dont want to pay $150 for a retune if it doesnt do ****.


Opinions? (Yes i know i should ditch my shitty gold base model and get a turbo car, but I need to buy a house in the next couple years going to keep this car)
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by breds2k
So i have intake, 2.4 manifold, 2.25" options racing exhaust, and I added a ZZP catted midlength combo with 1.75" primaries. Also have an hp tune (before midlength).

So its louder, sounds crazy but obviously too loud, gotta add a chamber muffler on the back. But im not impressed with the gains, maybe theres a little gain from like 60mph+ on the highway, no difference in 1st/2nd gear, I reset the battery, thought it helped but was really a placebo.

My question is how much of a difference will it make if I retune for the midlength? I dont want to pay $150 for a retune if it doesnt do ****.


Opinions? (Yes i know i should ditch my shitty gold base model and get a turbo car, but I need to buy a house in the next couple years going to keep this car)
here your issue.

come on MEN

not much hahahahhaha. here u go. you are not that redneck that i tought

about yout TB. is it 2,2 TB
manuel or auto
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 05:49 PM
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^^ whut?? edit: I see you are maybe thats why the english isn't so good? lol

And a retune won't do ****, I wouldn't waste the money
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 05:54 PM
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car is auto trans, stock 2.2 TB.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by breds2k
car is auto trans, stock 2.2 TB.
here your issue.

it easier to argu with proof then my sister step brother has a friend that ballbalbalbabaalbalb :

2,4 TB ll be your friend
this ll give you a very good punch from 40 miles to 70 miles even you are against a 2,2 manuel cammed

same setup of u:

add a 2,4 tb same customer:
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 574
^^ whut?? edit: I see you are maybe thats why the english isn't so good? lol

And a retune won't do ****, I wouldn't waste the money
whut!!! are u french canadian too. because your writting is not exemplary. when someone is complaining about my P0300 english writting, i hope these person write like a champ
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 07:58 PM
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I noticed gain from my header and downpipe.
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Originally Posted by huckernage
whut!!! are u french canadian too. because your writting is not exemplary. when someone is complaining about my P0300 english writting, i hope these person write like a champ
Aimez-vous les femmes ou les hommes?
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 08:13 PM
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Aimez-vous les femmes ou les hommes?
here my daugther, it can help to answer your immature question *******
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FLAMES!!!! hahahaha
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 08:28 PM
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sure flame
nobody play with those in quebec. and this jersey look great

how do u call it those you deliver mail on bike in downtown. courrier?

i did that in 2001. calgary is great because it is a flat town.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 09:40 PM
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Subd cuz ill be in the same boat soon

And SICK Flames Jersey!!
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 09:45 PM
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1.75" primaries are a bit on the large side even for an LE5. Thats probably part of the reason you didnt feel any gain downlow. Going with a primary that size has most likely killed off some of your lowend.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 11:14 PM
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Holy awful canadian **** trolls.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CordiaDOHC
1.75" primaries are a bit on the large side even for an LE5. Thats probably part of the reason you didnt feel any gain downlow. Going with a primary that size has most likely killed off some of your lowend.
wouldn't be surprised at all if this was the case, don't spend that cash on a tune..if you're going to spend any more time or effect into this I'd try to contact zzp and exchange the 1.75 for the 1.5 they have (although that isn't much better than spending the money on the tune if you have the header on your car already, and if I'm not mistaken you bought them second hand not from zzp) hope you figure it out !
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Originally Posted by huckernage
here my daugther, it can help to answer your immature question *******


and yes '' j aime les femmes'' specialy world champ snowboardcross maelle ricker
Well yes it is immature indeed. I'm 22 what do you expect. Anyways..a guy can still be gay and have babies.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by huckernage

it easier to argu with proof then my sister step brother has a friend that ballbalbalbabaalbalb :
This is my new quote.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 11:30 PM
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what the hell happened.....to this thread.
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Old Mar 5, 2013 | 11:34 PM
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I sense the lock ness monster.
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Old Mar 6, 2013 | 12:25 AM
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a french guy came in that doesnt speak very good english thats what happened.

anyways, you have a 2.2l n/a engine. you wouldnt have gained very much from this header since your not flowing alot of air through the engine. the stock manifold would still be doing a good job.
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Old Mar 6, 2013 | 08:45 AM
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Yup^ u would benefit it u are boosting tho.
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Old Mar 6, 2013 | 09:43 AM
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1.75 primaries would be perfect if your car was blown. Id say keep the header and get yourself an M62
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Old Mar 6, 2013 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by CptProzak
1.75 primaries would be perfect if your car was blown. Id say keep the header and get yourself an M62
I just got my ported lsj head back and the ports are 1.65" so the 1.75 is overkill for a lot
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Old Mar 6, 2013 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 574
I just got my ported lsj head back and the ports are 1.65" so the 1.75 is overkill for a lot
Interesting...I know I lost 1 psi when switching from 1.5" to 1.75" header
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Old Mar 6, 2013 | 07:14 PM
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Interesting...I know I lost 1 psi when switching from 1.5" to 1.75" header
makes perfect sense you are s/c the .25 difference allows less air restriction and less boost is needed...our friend here is not s/c no boost to lose not enough air flow losing back pressure/power
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