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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 03:43 PM
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Hey everyone ibhad a quick question to see if anyone might have different ideas to what come to me. The story is I raced my friend who has a madza 3 2.3 and about 2 months ago I kicked his ass bad. Since then he's just added an exhaust system and we raced last night and now he's on my ass! How the heck does this workout?! Is there something I need to change? My car still feels to pull strong but he is on my ass. I've always wondered if a clutch or pressure plate has anything to do with the speed acceleration. It seems like the clutch does slip every now and then and I'm wondering if I get a new clutch and pressure plate if I'll get the power I should have... Any other suggestions? Thanks guys
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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 03:44 PM
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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 03:49 PM
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so you used to beat him, he added power, and now you beat him less.... you're confused why?
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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 03:51 PM
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so you used to beat him, he added power, and now you beat him less.... you're confused why?
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You've already answered your own question, Op.
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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ryansalazan
Hey everyone ibhad a quick question to see if anyone might have different ideas to what come to me. The story is I raced my friend who has a madza 3 2.3 and about 2 months ago I kicked his ass bad. Since then he's just added an exhaust system and we raced last night and now he's on my ass! How the heck does this workout?! Is there something I need to change? My car still feels to pull strong but he is on my ass. I've always wondered if a clutch or pressure plate has anything to do with the speed acceleration. It seems like the clutch does slip every now and then and I'm wondering if I get a new clutch and pressure plate if I'll get the power I should have... Any other suggestions? Thanks guys
Like others have said you haven't lost any power, your friend added power to his car hence the reason hes gaining on you. What you need to do now is add a mod or two like intake and exhaust or add intake, header, exhaust and a tune. With those mods you will beat him by a far margin. Thats the great thing with mods with each thing you add it opens your car up a little more each time.
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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 04:00 PM
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maybe hes also learned to drive better since your previous race
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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 04:03 PM
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An exhaust might not add that much power (car depending) but it dose add extra power none the less so that power it did add might just be enought to keep up with you.. You didnt lose power your car has the same power as last race. He just steped up his game to catch you. Now you need to step your game up and get somthing new to add power like everyone said i.e Intake, exhaust, meth, Tune, Headers, or a combo of all. Do it.. and have him catching up to you..lol
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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 07:12 PM
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See and that the thing I have a 2.4 mani, cat-back exhaust, injen cai, pulstar plugs. All he has is the exhaust which is a cat back. I'm just wondering if it seems like there is something that needs to be redone like a fuel filter or a pressure plate. Just curious.

I'm just confused to the fact that the cat-back added so much..

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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 07:19 PM
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An exhaust might not add that much power (car depending) but it dose add extra power none the less so that power it did add might just be enought to keep up with you.. You didnt lose power your car has the same power as last race. He just steped up his game to catch you. Now you need to step your game up and get somthing new to add power like everyone said i.e Intake, exhaust, meth, Tune, Headers, or a combo of all. Do it.. and have him catching up to you..lol
Meth on a 2.2? Me thinks youre in the wrong section.

Op ar you tuned? If not you need to be to take full advantage of the 2.4 mani. And like others have said he added power. More than likely the real difference is his driving ability. That can change A LOT!

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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 07:35 PM
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Well I guess that's true.. Like stated above I have the 2.4 mani, pulstar plugs, injen intake, Megan exhaust. Would the trifecta tune really help that much? That's the tune I'm looking into. But I don't want to tune until after headers and a 2.4 tb
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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 07:39 PM
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change to delco plugs and you'll kill him.
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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 07:56 PM
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Delco iridium? Bug I read research that pulstart are a little better by.2 hp on dyno

And my bad do you mean denso?

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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ryansalazan
Well I guess that's true.. Like stated above I have the 2.4 mani, pulstar plugs, injen intake, Megan exhaust. Would the trifecta tune really help that much? That's the tune I'm looking into. But I don't want to tune until after headers and a 2.4 tb
You also gotta remember man those 2.3 mazda '3s have a shade over 160hp so stock for stock there faster than your car. And yes while the exhaust doesnt add too much its still going to bump him up to about 170 crank hp atleast.
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Well I guess that's true.. Like stated above I have the 2.4 mani, pulstar plugs, injen intake, Megan exhaust. Would the trifecta tune really help that much? That's the tune I'm looking into. But I don't want to tune until after headers and a 2.4 tb
FAIL.

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Delco iridium? Bug I read research that pulstart are a little better by.2 hp on dyno

And my bad do you mean denso?
AC Delco, oem spark plugs.
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Old Aug 30, 2009 | 10:16 PM
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So why do yall say The pulstar plugs are bad then? Or compared to stock?
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 09:43 AM
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You also gotta remember man those 2.3 mazda '3s have a shade over 160hp so stock for stock there faster than your car. And yes while the exhaust doesnt add too much its still going to bump him up to about 170 crank hp atleast.
more hp does not automatically mean faster when comparing 2 different cars. The mazda is heavier.
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by D4u2s0t
more hp does not automatically mean faster when comparing 2 different cars. The mazda is heavier.
Yeah they are.

2.3 3's weigh 2900lbs.
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 12:42 PM
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i didnt have the same problem although i did race an audi last night from a dig (i have an auto) and when i went to punch it my car just lagged like hardcore..

like he said would that be an issue with say my fuel filter or something else? it's never done that before. there was at least a few seconds between putting the hammer down and the car even accelerating at a decent pace.

anyone know?
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 06:32 PM
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If you had it in "d" gear then that well explain it . Put it in l gear then I gear then finally "d". Personally I put mine in "I" gear if i wanna do some street racing. Just try it and see how it feels.
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 09:01 PM
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I have a similar issue but it is mainly when I am around here my car is slow but when I got o the mountains it isnt as slow... My answer for my issue is humidity.
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 09:07 PM
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I have no issues at all beating a Mazda 3.

I believe, your friend has become a more aggressive driver, Perhaps letting the RPM travel higher before shifting.

The 2.3 is a Variable Valve Engine. Also, if he ran 89 instead of 87 the Octane sensor would release an additional 2 Degrees of Timing Advance.
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 09:13 PM
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solution to all yalls problem sell ur 2.2s and 2.4's and get and SS
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 09:14 PM
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Or apparently, he can also buy a base model Mazda... LOL
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 09:50 PM
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thanKs for all the help guys! I guess I just need to keep performing my car and kick his ass more haha thanks guys and for the guy with the lag problem I'd say either humidity or fuel filter. I need to change my fuel filter, it been over 33000 miles think I need one haha
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 10:06 PM
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solution to all yalls problem sell ur 2.2s and 2.4's and get and SS
and get beat by a $3k honda anyways. No thanks, atleast my excuse can be that it is a base model. Whats yours?
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