well..its illegal...so if they're not friendly enough t do it for free..they probably wont do it at all

illegal in PA?

^^in any state

^^ federally mandated emissions shit isnt it?

federal > state gov't lol

i think it would only be illegal to do it in the state that requires it for emissions. like CA.

This question has been tossed around for a while now.


I'm going with... its illegal.


Yes, even if your state doesn't recognize CA emissions, your VIN is still representing that your car is ok for CA. Once you modify the SAI your car is no longer CA acceptable but you're VIN says it is so there is a fraud argument there.

Also, there is only one dealer I've ever heard of that was doing SAI deletions "Legit." All the other dealers people had it done at people had friends who were tech's who did it on the side.

it is illegal no matter what state

ONLY header i know to work with SAI

http://www.ppeengineering-onlinestor...&categoryId=27

http://www.ppeengineering-onlinestor...altheader1.jpg

could i buy any downpipe for my car with out needing a tune and is the header the only thing that has to have a SAI bung on?? or do i need a downpipe that will work for sai?

Ok, I read the entire thread and just want to make sure I fully understand. My 06 has sai and i swapped my header with a pacesetter header at school today. I dont have a connection for the sai so I realize it will throw a code. Will the MIL for this system cause a performance change in the car if it remains on? I have an obd2 reader I keep on me so im not worried about the light always being on since I can always check for different codes to pop up.

The SAI not running won't hurt your performance.

lol I know my cobalt has it because I hear it turn on in the morning when I start the car. I also saw the motor when I was changing the oil, from what I remember it was in the way of the starter and it would have to come out if replacing the starter. I hope it never breaks because I don't want to spend money on emissions stuff.

Phil, yep thats the SAI motor you saw/heard. It's fucking annoying isn't it?

federal law requires dealers to warranty all emissions control devices for 80,000 miles on all vehicles.

well this kinda throws my plans for building a turbo out the window. stupid fucking thing.

Absolutely exact same thing happened to me yesterday.

Dead thread bro.

dealers only, or shops as well?

I'd imagine just dealers selling new cars but I'm not sure.

wondering if someone can help me out with telling me what this harness that plugs into SAI does.

it plugs into piece that bolts to the stock header and the tube from SAI goes into it on the right side.
there is a sensor that plugs into it and theres a brown and yellow wire that goes down the engine bay to something on the bottom.
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can someone tell me what that wire is for.
because when i installed my zzp header i guess that plug was resting against the header and burned a little and wires got melted.. and after i dropped my car off to get supercharged i have been having a throttle problem and the guy said that they may of knocked a wire when moving the harness around (why they would touch this wire idk because there should be no reason to) and it caused a short and he said that is the VSS sensor.

can any one confirm this

sensor plug into this piece of SAI that connects to the 2 bolt flange thats on the stock header.
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That plug harness is the power for the SAI pump. I don't know where the second wire goes stick you head up under there and look.

It will have nothing to do with your throttle issues. That has more to do with your supercharger installation. One has nothing to do with the other.

so any wires in that harness that plugs into that sainpart would have NOTHING to do with throtle issue
because the tuner said that because those wires were melted or something that they may of bumpped into them causing a short. he said those wires are the VSS sensor

heres more pics
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That red and black twisted wire is not a factory installed wire. That's something aftermarket.

they are purple and yellow
they were covered in the loom there. its factory because it goes into the harness that plugged into that part from SAI. the shop undid the wireloom for some reason.