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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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Why Cat back ?

Probably a dumb question but whatever...

If the 2.2's have a 2.25 diameter exhaust what is the point of getting a 2.25" cat back system? wouldn't changing the resonator and muffler achieve the same goal ?

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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitty
Probably a dumb question but whatever...

If the 2.2's have a 2.25 diameter exhaust what is the point of getting a 2.25" cat back system? wouldn't changing the resonator and muffler achieve the same goal ?

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not positive as i have not seen a stock 2.2 exaust....but, the way they bend the pipe makes some difference...as in the madnrel bends flow better than the stock bends...
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 12:59 PM
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I haven't looked at my stock but how is bent compression or crush ?
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:01 PM
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i thought the stock bends were mandrel bends???
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:03 PM
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you would think if they were going to mass produce it they would be? I am at work and can't check right now... someone please clear this up :P
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:07 PM
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the exhaust shop I went to for my muffler told me the stock piping on the cobalts were mandrel bent, if thats true, im just gonna go with a high flow cat as well.
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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if you wanted a car you could really mod an get a performance gain out of...then you should not have done a 2.2 in the first place
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LamboW9
if you wanted a car you could really mod an get a performance gain out of...then you should not have done a 2.2 in the first place
that post was really useless... sorry. but that has absolutely nothing to do with this post. This post is about the stock diameter of the exhaust not about how much potential the 2.2 has...
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:17 PM
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the bending in the catbacks is better...less restrictive....the muffler and resonators are both less restrictive
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitty
that post was really useless... sorry. but that has absolutely nothing to do with this post. This post is about the stock diameter of the exhaust not about how much potential the 2.2 has...
X2!!
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:20 PM
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i used to have a 2.2 cavy. go 2.2's!! haha

i don't really have any useful info, but i kind of doubt it's mandrel bent.
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LamboW9
the bending in the catbacks is better...less restrictive....the muffler and resonators are both less restrictive
^^^^^^^
Read The Above

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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:22 PM
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all of the cobalt exhausts are mandrel bent, and they are 2.5 inches except for the spot where it goes over the axle. All exhausts for the cobalt are going to be bent the same as there is only one path for it to travel under the car. You are correct, changing out the resonator & muffler would usually be the cheaper method of changing the exhaust. But sometimes it's just easier to buy a complete system, and your almost guaranteed to know what the car is going to sound like where if you go custom it could be hit and miss on the sound.
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:28 PM
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Probally already been said but I didn't feel like looking through all the posts on my sidekick....

But the reason is smoother piping, less bends and/or smoother bends, better muffler.
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Originally Posted by LamboW9
^^^^^^^
Read The Above
I did read that but if you read what i said about changing the muffler and the resonator then would it be less restrictive if the stocks are mandrel bent?

True about the sound being hit or miss... but if you go with a decent muffler and a longer resonator you should be guaranteed not to have a raspy exhaust and it should be decently deep should it not?
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:31 PM
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the sound would be fine but the bend at the axel drops to a 2.25....when you get rid of that bend then you have a 2.5 exhaust from the cat back...that 2.25 bend makes it essentially a 2.25 exhaust....elminate that restrictive bend....get a different downpipe since the downpipe has a bad bend as well and you'll have a smoother better sounding exhaust
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by LamboW9
the sound would be fine but the bend at the axel drops to a 2.25....when you get rid of that bend then you have a 2.5 exhaust from the cat back...that 2.25 bend makes it essentially a 2.25 exhaust....elminate that restrictive bend....get a different downpipe since the downpipe has a bad bend as well and you'll have a smoother better sounding exhaust
See there was a useful post Thanks
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 04:20 PM
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You can see the differance between the stock exhaust and a true 2.25" inch exhaust (GMPP) when you look at them side by side. There is a big defferance. When I measure my stock exhaust it was 1.9" so not sure where many are getting 2.25" stock???
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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 04:47 PM
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yeah im pretty sure the 2.2 has a 2" exhaust
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 01:04 AM
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I believe the exhaust on the 2.2 is 2" at it widest point...on some of the bends, it definately drops to 1.8 or 1.9...easily.
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 01:14 AM
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the last 3 post were the best 3 posts
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 03:27 AM
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from the dp to the rear axel the piping is 2.25, after it bend upwards it turns into smaller 1.8-9 piping than tot he muffler than out the car...the SS's are the same, but they start with 2.5, than turn into 2.25
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LamboW9
if you wanted a car you could really mod an get a performance gain out of...then you should not have done a 2.2 in the first place
look at jason whitfields cobalt. 2.2L, revs to 10,500 rpm, and does the 1320 in 9 sec. thats not a 2.0, or 2.4, but a 2.2. granted theres a **** ton of stuff done to it, but still.
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 12:13 PM
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Downpipe and catalytic converter are your biggest killers beings your 2.25" downpipe drops down to right around 2" pipe, your stock exhaust is 2.25" but when it goes over your axle it drops down to 2" again.... (at least my 05 LS did!)
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jlmd
I believe the exhaust on the 2.2 is 2" at it widest point...on some of the bends, it definately drops to 1.8 or 1.9...easily.
You are correct
I have measured the stock 2.2 exhaust many times and it narrows to 1 7/8" at some of the bends.
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