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mrbelvedere 12-05-2014 03:48 PM

anyone use them for regrinding cams
 
Colt Cams - custom camshaft grinding

Spawne32 12-05-2014 04:51 PM

Never used colt, but I know that kevin over at schnieder cams has alot of experience with GMPP stuff. Ill be getting together with him probably in the spring time to evaluate some new cams for the 2.4.

mrbelvedere 12-05-2014 04:54 PM

go dig on thier site they do whats called a tri flow where they open one intake valve before the other honda has been doing for a few years now

Spawne32 12-05-2014 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by mrbelvedere (Post 7449444)
go dig on thier site they do whats called a tri flow where they open one intake valve before the other honda has been doing for a few years now

Hasnt it already been confirmed that triflow has been a gimmick for years? Anyone remember JBP?

Spawne32 12-05-2014 05:02 PM

Besides, the issue is not re-inventing the wheel with our car's, its the VVT and the centerlines and how they will behave when the cams move with a bigger camshaft. The VVT tables are optimized for the way the stock cams are, changing that profile without changing the VVT tables seemingly screws up the way it works. When I switched to the LNF exhaust cam, even though the profile was very similar, I had to make adjustments to the intake VVT table to actually see those improvements because the exhaust cam centerlines were different from stock. Not as simple as coming up with a profile for say a LSJ.

mrbelvedere 12-05-2014 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by Spawne32 (Post 7449449)
Hasnt it already been confirmed that triflow has been a gimmick for years? Anyone remember JBP?

no one confirmed it either way


Originally Posted by Spawne32 (Post 7449455)
Besides, the issue is not re-inventing the wheel with our car's, its the VVT and the centerlines and how they will behave when the cams move with a bigger camshaft. The VVT tables are optimized for the way the stock cams are, changing that profile without changing the VVT tables seemingly screws up the way it works. When I switched to the LNF exhaust cam, even though the profile was very similar, I had to make adjustments to the intake VVT table to actually see those improvements because the exhaust cam centerlines were different from stock. Not as simple as coming up with a profile for say a LSJ.

it would be pointless to swap in bigger cams and think you wouldent have to mess with the vvt tables

as for choices for the 2.4 there is none cam wise no blanks to be had either i may try them and see whats the worse that cam happen i have swap stock cams back in

Spawne32 12-05-2014 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by mrbelvedere (Post 7449487)
no one confirmed it either way



it would be pointless to swap in bigger cams and think you wouldent have to mess with the vvt tables

as for choices for the 2.4 there is none cam wise no blanks to be had either i may try them and see whats the worse that cam happen i have swap stock cams back in

If you figure out how to adjust the VVT appropriately then by all means, let us know what has to be done, but without spending hours on the dyno redesigning the entire table, its very difficult to know which way to go. Not sure what ZZP had done with their 2.4 cams when they were selling them to make them work effectively with the stock VVT tables, I would assume it was centerline and opening and closing event changes ground directly into the cam itself. I do know from my experience already with the delta regrinds (which were terrible btw and i got a refund) that you will wind up needing the ZZP extended lash adjusters for anything over .415 lift. If you use an LNF exhaust cam you can eliminate that some on the exhaust side, as the LNF exhaust cam is physically larger then the LE5 cam so less needs to be ground to achieve that bigger lift and you wont have as much in the way of lash adjustment issues.

Terminator2 12-05-2014 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by mrbelvedere (Post 7449444)
go dig on thier site they do whats called a tri flow where they open one intake valve before the other honda has been doing for a few years now

That is neat increased intake air velocity if one opens right before the other. In theory anyway.

Spawne32 12-05-2014 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Terminator2 (Post 7449510)
That is neat increased intake air velocity if one opens right before the other. In theory anyway.

It was a big thing in the honda market years back, didnt really net any "extra" gains one way or the other against traditional cams. You will notice in their tech section about how it works they are using a 3 valve head as an example. :lol:

Terminator2 12-05-2014 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by Spawne32 (Post 7449512)
It was a big thing in the honda market years back, didnt really net any "extra" gains one way or the other against traditional cams. You will notice in their tech section about how it works they are using a 3 valve head as an example. :lol:

Yamaha uses a 5 valve head on a few of their motorcycles. 3 intake valves 2 exhaust valves. I wonder if this will be common soon to have 5-6 valves per cylinder.

TStone 12-05-2014 06:41 PM

5v is nothing new at all.....

Terminator2 12-05-2014 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by TStone (Post 7449520)
5v is nothing new at all.....

Cars that have 5 valves per cylinder?

Spawne32 12-05-2014 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Terminator2 (Post 7449515)
Yamaha uses a 5 valve head on a few of their motorcycles. 3 intake valves 2 exhaust valves. I wonder if this will be common soon to have 5-6 valves per cylinder.

Doubt it, cost associated with doing a 5 valve head vs the power increase doesnt really add up to manufacturers. 4 valve heads work perfectly fine for even high power applications.

ItalianJoe1 12-05-2014 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by Terminator2 (Post 7449522)
Cars that have 5 valves per cylinder?

Audi/VW has done it for years, along with ferrari and some of the other exotics I believe.

mrbelvedere 02-20-2015 08:29 AM

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