Best spark plugs to use ?
I have a 2007 ss/na and seems like the spark plugs are going..
just wondering what everyone recommends |
If your boosted go with NGK LFR6A-11
If not, stick with OEM delco plugs I have made a lot of money and fixed many cars by replacing shitty 'fuel efficient' or 'superfine'(all that bullshit) and putting OEM stuff back on the vehicle |
okay
thanks ! |
Choose the spark/gap appropriate for your mod level/altitude/gas quality (RON/Octane)
I run a .035 Gap (the brand name is escaping my drunken memory presently) since i live very close to sea level, boosted, and the best gas around here is 91. If your NA, and (im assuming) un-modded. i would stick as close to the stock .043 gap as possible. The ACDelco recommended replacement for a 2006 2.4 is a .043 gap
Originally Posted by Verbatim
(Post 7065941)
If your boosted go with NGK LFR6A-11
If not, stick with OEM delco plugs I have made a lot of money and fixed many cars by replacing shitty 'fuel efficient' or 'superfine'(all that bullshit) and putting OEM stuff back on the vehicle ZZP turbo kit for boosted 2.4s comes with .033 gap, i opted to run .035, as the gas here is shitty/low altitude, and i wanted to limited retard/knock for tuning etc. a smaller gap, makes the sparks electrical arc, travel a shorter distance, generates a bit more heat/burns better/more power for timing/tuning. Downside is increased fuel compensation (in relation to a larger gap) If you want to squeeze a tiny (and i do mean tiny) bit more power/optimize for higher grade fuel, run a smaller gap than the factory .043. But otherwise, stay as close as possible to the .043 gap as you can, brands aside of course. To the best of my knowledge (someone feel free to correct me) GM designs/tunes motors to run on shitty 87 octane/most fuel effcient (for their combined lineup fuel efficiency?) so the factory gap is .043 |
The 2.4L LE5 is designed to run on premium(91-93) but one is able to run a lower grade of fuel if your a cheapass.
The NGK plug I recommended is 1 step colder, thats why it's what most people use in boosted applications...while gap plays a roll in the performance aspect, it's minor compared to having the proper plug for the application. When I was just a little 2.8 m62 I ran the NGK plug at a .030 gap With the 2.6" TVS I'm about to put on...who knows how I'll have to go. As I said before; if boosted, go with NGK LFR6A-11 plug(.030-.035 gap, talk to tuner) Other than that, go with OEM at OEM gap. If you get plug blowout at upper RPM due to mods, just drop the gap .001 at a time, until you has no more issue |
does the bkr7e plug not work with the LE5? I've heard very good things about that plug and I believe it's one step colder.
Also should you use 2 steps colder plug for boosted E85 applications? |
Originally Posted by Verbatim
(Post 7066489)
The 2.4L LE5 is designed to run on premium(91-93) but one is able to run a lower grade of fuel if your a cheapass.
the highest grade "supreme" folks can get around here is 91 :thumbsdow which is why most guys here go meth to bump it to the 125-135+ range (depending on mix) Too many people here run 87 (cheapest) beat the piss out of their cars, and then wonder why the engine runs like bag of hammers! verbatim, thanks for the education bud, I just learrned about heat ranges on the NGK website, apparently there is no standard for measure the heat-ranges. Its like a stage kit #, the number is only useful when comparing plugs from the same manufacturer. good to know. you guys are making me wonder what exact brand i used so i can figure out my heat range! brb driveway!! |
and my knowledge on the matter keeps growing !
thanks everyone ! |
Originally Posted by noorjariri
(Post 7066501)
does the bkr7e plug not work with the LE5? I've heard very good things about that plug and I believe it's one step colder.
Also should you use 2 steps colder plug for boosted E85 applications? And I do not know of a 2step colder plug And I know even less about e85 stuff
Originally Posted by Ceeker
(Post 7066571)
Can you give me a linky/source for the 91-93 comment? I'd like to read it
the highest grade "supreme" folks can get around here is 91 :thumbsdow which is why most guys here go meth to bump it to the 125-135+ range (depending on mix) Too many people here run 87 (cheapest) beat the piss out of their cars, and then wonder why the engine runs like bag of hammers! verbatim, thanks for the education bud, I just learrned about heat ranges on the NGK website, apparently there is no standard for measure the heat-ranges. Its like a stage kit #, the number is only useful when comparing plugs from the same manufacturer. good to know. you guys are making me wonder what exact brand i used so i can figure out my heat range! brb driveway!! In my area we have 91-93 depending on the station I personally only use shell 93, BP 93, or phillips66 92-93 NEVER USE QT for fuel; I know of entirely too many people that have had issues with it On the heat range, I have never thought about standards for them but it makes sense; companies do some weird things for no reason what so ever. -try diagnosing a vehicle pre-obd2(standards of dlc location and code standardization) on some jap or other foreign job...can you say motherfucker? I have throw many a hammer at things due to lack of standardization. It is fun when you get a new(er) chevrolet van with wheel speed sensor or traction control code...The ONLY way to diagnose them is actually to throw parts at it and see if it fixes it; I have spent hours how to get around this and actually be able to diagnose the specific part, but it is impossible... That [throwing parts at a car] is a very large pet-peeve of mine, and I am the diagnostic tech at my work so I get stuck with them... Thanks Obama -end slight bullshit day at work rant- |
All good bai!
Better rant it out here! I also read "premium" in the owners manual, but there is just one type of book for California/rest of USA/Canada So, "premium" is subjective, premium for you is 93. Premium here is 91 :( How hard would it be for the technical documentation writer @ GM to write. "Premium fuel recommended, 93 AKI" fucken tards You mean to say, you can't test a circuit /dtc shit on a wheel speed/traction control code? LOL @ buy more parts! Silly GM making it harder for car guys every inch of the way ! Fack! We have a thread in the Canadian section, trying to figure out THE scientifically best station here. Shell is one of our top contenders as well. I run a NGK .035 btw, not sure on heat range. |
Use stock AC Delco or NGK equivalent.
The BKRs are different reach than what we need (they technically work but stock ones are better) Even on 13 lbs on E85 i was using stock plug. |
everything changed and running good
went with ac delco |
For boost use the ILTR6A-8G. It's OEM for mazdaspeed3. Way better than POS LFR6A-11.
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is it a step colder?
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Originally Posted by pjk91
(Post 7134555)
For boost use the ILTR6A-8G. It's OEM for mazdaspeed3. Way better than POS LFR6A-11.
The way Im seeing it: I can get 4 LFR plugs for the price of 1 of your ILTR The LFR plug is a proven copper design that is easily gappable The LFR plug has been working phenomenal for multiple people over the past few years The LFR plug works perfect for my LE5 blowing way past 20psi on the 2.6 tvs |
where do you get LFR6A-11 for $2.50? I pay $6 for mine
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Well; if u go by taxes, they are like 3$something.
I get them thru my work |
what are your LFR's gapped at? I think it comes .035 right?
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the -11 at the end of that part number you gave indicates a pregap of 1.1mm
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wow good info spawne
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nice! thank you all the info. this might or i hope this fixes the problem that i have of misfire at idle (my plugs are gap near stock).
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Originally Posted by Verbatim
(Post 7134671)
What is so much better about it and why is the LFR plug a "POS"?
The way Im seeing it: I can get 4 LFR plugs for the price of 1 of your ILTR The LFR plug is a proven copper design that is easily gappable The LFR plug has been working phenomenal for multiple people over the past few years The LFR plug works perfect for my LE5 blowing way past 20psi on the 2.6 tvs I'm not supercharged anymore. Went back to stock so I can sell the car and get a diesel truck to pull my toys. |
Originally Posted by pjk91
(Post 7135330)
I started with the LFR plug when I first supercharged my LE5. For whatever reason, I never could get them to work well in my car. And yes, they were gapped. I ran those plugs for about 75k of my 85k boosted miles before I switched to ILTR. I got better gas mileage, better throttle response and no misfires. The ILTRs seemed to be holding up better. I normally replaced the LFRs every 10-15k miles and the ILTRs looked fine at 10k. If you're having success with the LFRs then by all means, keep them. They are definitely cheaper. I could never get them to work well with mine.
I'm not supercharged anymore. Went back to stock so I can sell the car and get a diesel truck to pull my toys. |
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