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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 11:09 AM
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Exhaust Complete - What next?

So I have my full exhaust I/H/DP/cat/catback and tune down and done. What upgrade should I shoot for next? An upgrade on the same level of ease as installing headers or etc. would be nice. If nothing, I'll just get lowering springs and GM orange neon and call it a day.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 11:30 AM
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Thats pretty much all you have left for now. Maybe get some traction bars along with the springs.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 11:34 AM
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wet 50 shot ?
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 11:35 AM
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Oh I forgot to add, I want horsepower, not suspension or braking or w/e. I want to get the horsepower out of the way first so if you have any thought on another minor or major bolt-on that will add horsepower that would be great. And no F/I or nitrous..... -_-
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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How much power overall did you want?
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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A better suspension will help you get the power you are making now to the groud, there for you car will be faster.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 11:40 AM
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Well I'm guessing right now with everything on my car I'm at 180-185whp. My goal is 200whp so if you have any suggestions I'm wide open.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 11:41 AM
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A better suspension will help you get the power you are making now to the groud, there for you car will be faster.
springs would be nice. iw would say start removing excess weight. air box all engine plastic foam on firewall. stuff that doesnt need to be there. you can get cams for the car. id go for a new clutch myself

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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 11:47 AM
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The excess weight is removed already and all that plastic has been long gone including the intake silencer. Cams you say? What kind of gains and level of ease would that prove?
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 12:22 PM
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The excess weight is removed already and all that plastic has been long gone including the intake silencer. Cams you say? What kind of gains and level of ease would that prove?
upgrade your internals...cams pistions hell even new spark plugs...


and its not all about horse power..get a short shifter and maybe some high preformance summer tires..u will grip alot easier and shifts will be quicker..

or even new ram air hood to get more air flow into your intake get a CF one and u get looks+funcunality

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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 12:34 PM
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Light weight fly wheel and a good set of light weight racing rims and pulleys if you can find em. Light weight any thing that rotates = good. Stiffer engine mounts are good too. Light weight hood w/good venting helps cool the engine bay.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 12:41 PM
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Well I'm guessing right now with everything on my car I'm at 180-185whp. My goal is 200whp so if you have any suggestions I'm wide open.
That's what she said lol j/k

Sounds like some engine work is going to be in your plan unless you haven't tried a PCM tuning yet.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 12:46 PM
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That's what she said lol j/k

Sounds like some engine work is going to be in your plan unless you haven't tried a PCM tuning yet.
thats what she said
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SSBOOST
Oh I forgot to add, I want horsepower, not suspension or braking or w/e. I want to get the horsepower out of the way first so if you have any thought on another minor or major bolt-on that will add horsepower that would be great. And no F/I or nitrous..... -_-
Just a saying I saw on here.... I believe it is BLilBT's quote:

"Do you Want to be able 2 Handle & Go Fast or Go Faster & Not be able 2 Handle?"

Suspension upgrades mean power to the ground and better control at higher speeds.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 12:58 PM
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thats what she said
huh? lol
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 01:03 PM
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Put a blower on? lol
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rlinden86
springs would be nice. iw would say start removing excess weight. air box all engine plastic foam on firewall. stuff that doesnt need to be there. you can get cams for the car. id go for a new clutch myself

ryan.
Tha only cams at to my knowledge are the JBP cams, and only G5Mike has them. And he had alot of promblems with them at frist.

If you are going to get inside the engine maybe think about pistons and up the comppresion.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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Damn, your just one step ahead of me. I have the injectors (not installed yet obviously) but I just gotta get it tuned with HP Tuners.

Here's my suggestions. If your still after speed and want some cheap and EASY mods to help make you a tad quicker, here's what I suggest.

1. Ingalls ETD. Reduces wheel hop, stabalizes the engine movement, reduces wear on bushings and gets more power to the ground.
2. Prothane poly trans mount inserts. I don't have them yet, I'm ordering them next week, but my friend has them in his Focus, and he said they really do help put the power down to the ground.
3. TTR or CA motor mounts. You can't use them with the Ingalls ETD, so they are an alternative. I've heard they can make it a bit rough and create knock though.
4. New clutch (stage 1 or 2). Always good to have an upgraded clutch. I plan on upgrading mine when the stock one goes out. Exedy makes some nice clutches for us.

Those are my best suggestions. There's also nitrous and cams/built motor, but those can be pricey, and downright time consuming.

Or you could always upgrade your brakes and suspension for a more well-balanced street machine.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 01:34 PM
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mounts! how is ur IDC% running..if high swap in 32lb stock ss/sc injectors
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 02:17 PM
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mounts! how is ur IDC% running..if high swap in 32lb stock ss/sc injectors
No!!! The reason why stock the IDC's are high is becasue stock we command a stupid rich condition under WOT. Alter your PE and turn off COT, change the enrichment rate, and piston protection. Then your IDC's will drop by 20% unless you are doing FI or a major N/A build you do not need larger injectors. Adding larger injectors is like adding a bandaid to a someone who needs stiches.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 02:35 PM
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If you haven't noticed I'm just looking for semi-cheap simple and easy ways to get more hp. Engine work that could possibly mess up and **** with the engine is out of the question, I'm sensing injectors but don't I need to be blown to see any real gains? And to whoever said that quote about going fast and faster I'm not interested in street racing around turns and ****, I'm more of a drag type of guy. The Ingalls TD sounds like a possibility but what exactly does it do and what kind of gains or % or what can I get from it. I don't know if I'm reaching you guys or not with what I'm trying to say but please be serious.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 03:06 PM
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You are out of engine upgrades for now, unless you can find under drive pullies. The Ingells ETD is a somthing to keep the engince from moving under hard acceleration and gets the power to the ground, just like the prothane motor mounts.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SSBOOST
If you haven't noticed I'm just looking for semi-cheap simple and easy ways to get more hp. Engine work that could possibly mess up and **** with the engine is out of the question, I'm sensing injectors but don't I need to be blown to see any real gains? And to whoever said that quote about going fast and faster I'm not interested in street racing around turns and ****, I'm more of a drag type of guy. The Ingalls TD sounds like a possibility but what exactly does it do and what kind of gains or % or what can I get from it. I don't know if I'm reaching you guys or not with what I'm trying to say but please be serious.
The injectors won't really give you a lot of power, they just open the motor up to more power by reducing the IDC (injector duty cycle). Your engine w/ full bolt ons is probally maxing out the injectors therefore creating a high IDC %. The 32lb injectors will lower that % and basically take stress off your engine, and allow for more power in general.

The Ingalls ETD dosent give you any hp. Its basically just a shock absorber that mounts to your motor mount and engine to stabalize the movements of the engine. By minimizing engine movement, you will cut down on wheel hop, which is great for drag racing. It also will decrease the wear that is created by engine movement on all the bushings. For $125, its a great little piece to have, and looks nice under the hood.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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I know it won't "add" to the horsepower but doesn't it allow more horsepower to reach the ground (more than any other mod)? As for injectors, is it really worth it or not? I plan on these 2 mods being my final ones if they propose being worthy.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 03:40 PM
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You could try a kit like this one I found http://www.importperformanceparts.ne...-cavalier.html
go to # 10 on the page.
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