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Old Dec 28, 2006 | 09:30 PM
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N/A build potential?

exactly how much power can i see from something like this...full internal work...cams/ high comp. pistons /rods/ valve springs/ balance shafts and also exhaust/ header/intake and a tune?
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Old Dec 28, 2006 | 10:02 PM
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exactly how much power can i see from something like this...full internal work...cams/ high comp. pistons /rods/ valve springs/ balance shafts and also exhaust/ header/intake and a tune?
Ok, I'll be the first to get flamed. Depending on the cam specs, comp ratio, port job, etc. you might make in the 260-270 engine hp range on an all out n/a build. About 90-100 ponies added.

But seriously, who the hell knows?

Do it and tell us!
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Old Dec 28, 2006 | 10:06 PM
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210-220 maybe more on race gas, these are not all motor cars. Go with boost it will alot cheaper too.
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Old Dec 28, 2006 | 10:09 PM
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yea i plan on going boosted ...i was just curious..seeing as quite a few on here are going that way....porbbaly because they are getting tired of F/I support for our cars...i however am not worried because ive got a year plus to save up money for it and im already 750 dollars there within a month or two's time...provided the fact that i am in school working part time
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Old Dec 28, 2006 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sushidog
Ok, I'll be the first to get flamed. Depending on the cam specs, comp ratio, port job, etc. you might make in the 260-270 engine hp range on an all out n/a build. About 90-100 ponies added.

But seriously, who the hell knows?

Do it and tell us!
Talk to a build shop and they agree,With my funds 250,is what I want
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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i think these cars will make a good 300 whp n/a but i dont think they would be too streetable, more of a race car. ive seen a rsx type s do it on the skunk race car and i think our engine is even better
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 05:37 PM
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I just want it to be similar to our curb weight aspect which is 2815. So I'm looking for about 280whp. And I am going to try to do it without F/I.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 07:16 PM
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In all honesty, id be happy as hell with 250whp before I boost.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 07:29 PM
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I wouldn't count on anything more than 275 ish....like everyone else is saying, boost is your friend
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 07:38 PM
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In all honesty, id be happy as hell with 250whp before I boost.
i dont think boosting a n/a 4 cylinder thatalready has that much hp is a good idea, just boost it in the 1st place
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 08:11 PM
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That's a crazy build, get 275-280 N/A then throw a turbo and hit close to 400. Now that's fast.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 08:18 PM
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Ok, I'm going to be the only one in the crowd to tell you this but this is the honest truth...

No one can tell you how much power you're going to gain. It REALLY REALLY depends on what you're doing. There is more to it than saying "what if I was to get cams and piston?".

Even if we knew what products you were going to use, there are even more variables that will determine how much power you'll ultimately gain. The only truthful answer someone can give you is "Do it and find out".
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 08:31 PM
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thats what i thought in the first place...but i figured id just ask and see what everyone else thought....i dont know...is that much power really attainable on a n/a car(260-280hp)?
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mike25
thats what i thought in the first place...but i figured id just ask and see what everyone else thought....i dont know...is that much power really attainable on a n/a car(260-280hp)?
This is reasonable, but some of you are saying 280WHP,I have been working on a build with a reputable company and we are aiming for 280hp not 280whp
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mike25
thats what i thought in the first place...but i figured id just ask and see what everyone else thought....i dont know...is that much power really attainable on a n/a car(260-280hp)?
Yes but anything is possible. There is alot of planning and physics that go into building an engine...alot of which I don't understand from a mathematical (sp?) standpoint.

It just goes into how you decide to build the car.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 08:40 PM
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thats what i thought in the first place...but i figured id just ask and see what everyone else thought....i dont know...is that much power really attainable on a n/a car(260-280hp)?

Yes, I believe it is; but it'll cost about $8-9K.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sushidog
Yes, I believe it is; but it'll cost about $8-9K.
I wouldn't even give an $ estimate honestly...there are too many "what ifs" to even do something like that.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sushidog
Yes, I believe it is; but it'll cost about $8-9K.
my badass valvetrain was 2grand alone
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 08:56 PM
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I wouldn't even give an $ estimate honestly...there are too many "what ifs" to even do something like that.

You're right, Adam, I was merely trying to illustrate that it wouldn't be cheap compared to an f/I build. Probably far more than most people are willing to spend.

If you go JBP stage 3 head and short block it's 5k right there. And this doesn't include cams, gaskets, exhaust, intake, tuning, neutral balance shafts,clutch upgrades, tranny upgrades, drive shaft upgrades, the labor and expertise to put it all together, etc... well you get the point.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 08:58 PM
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the best thing you can say about an NA build is that you will have one hella strong motor
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NJHK
Ok, I'm going to be the only one in the crowd to tell you this but this is the honest truth...

No one can tell you how much power you're going to gain. It REALLY REALLY depends on what you're doing. There is more to it than saying "what if I was to get cams and piston?".

Even if we knew what products you were going to use, there are even more variables that will determine how much power you'll ultimately gain. The only truthful answer someone can give you is "Do it and find out".
It's straight man, I've heard you say this before and know it well. Our best way to keep us satisfied is to keep guesstimating what we can look for. All we can do is hope we get the most gains possible from the mods we throw down on it.

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the best thing you can say about an NA build is that you will have one hella strong motor
Damn straight. That's what I look forward to, a powerful strong motor that is less likely to fail on me.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 11:49 PM
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It's straight man, I've heard you say this before and know it well. Our best way to keep us satisfied is to keep guesstimating what we can look for. All we can do is hope we get the most gains possible from the mods we throw down on it.
I understand that but the hoping might be dissapointing when the outcome comes to life. This is why I say don't even bother because it'll just fill your head up with "possible" outcomes. It's like buying a lottery ticket and really hoping to win and then you don't...
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Old Dec 30, 2006 | 12:02 AM
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Old Dec 30, 2006 | 12:36 AM
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HAHAHA I try

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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 08:18 PM
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That's a crazy build, get 275-280 N/A then throw a turbo and hit close to 400. Now that's fast.
i dont think one piece of our car was built to withstand 400 hp
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