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Old 06-22-2017, 10:48 PM
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Random PE

I'm not going to get real concerned until I replace my dead MAF but my PE randomly comes in. I can't seem to see what is making it come in after a long decell. I can decell and it will come in right away or decell and go back on the throttle for a bit and it still comes in. Other than that it is hit or miss.

Before I installed the SC it was spot on. When it works, it comes in at what I set it at but I can't see what is making it sporadic.

Edit: I found the issue. I guess I don't understand the MAP sensor Linear setting like I thought. I set it for a supercharged TMAP thinking that was the TMAP setting and it isn't. Put it back to 128 kpa and PE is back every time again.

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Which map are you using? Download a tune file from the repository for an lsj and use the offset and linear from that if you have the 2.5 bar.
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That's what I started with thinking the 2.5 bar TMAP would need that setting, see below.
I put it back to my 2.4L settings and the PE is back and no more MAP codes.



Something still doesn't seem right as my readings now are 1/2 of these. This was taken with the 2.5 bar settings.
Left is KOEO, right is full boost



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I had a 2.5 bar sensor and I used the same settings and I'm on the same ECU is you. What do your PE settings look like?
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I moved my MAP PE enable down for the new settings. PE came in on demand today every time and still no MAP codes. Now that it comes in I can adjust it as I'm a little too rich for my liking at 11.3


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Yeah those readings are definitely not right. Koeo should be in the 90s, and "in boost" you arent even getting above 100kpa...
Old 06-23-2017, 11:39 AM
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Youre commanding 11.8, if youre hitting 11.3 you need to be adjusting the maf until your actual and commanded are the same. Did you disable dynamic airflow so your tune is "maf only"?
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This is with the MAP settings set to 2.5 bar. This is what I would expect but keep setting the MAP code and PE doesn't come in properly.
Remember I am at 6250 ASL and over 3" below sea level readings.

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Originally Posted by Slowbalt2000
Yeah those readings are definitely not right. Koeo should be in the 90s, and "in boost" you arent even getting above 100kpa...
It's about 83kPa here in the Denver area for KOEO
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On the 2.4s (haven't tuned one yet) for logging can you log the calculated cat temp? Makes me wonder if the engine thinks the cat is to hot and will start adding fuel to cool it off and it actually has nothing to do with going into PE mode. I do see there is a COT tab
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Originally Posted by ECaulk
It's about 83kPa here in the Denver area for KOEO
Parker is a little higher..... Almost 1000' in areas.


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I'm also not sure of the Siemens delivery. I hear they flow quite a bit more than 60psi so I may also need to raise this. Keep in mind, my MAF is currently dead until tomorrow.


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Originally Posted by HGT
Parker is a little higher..... Almost 1000' in areas.


I said about
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Originally Posted by ECaulk
On the 2.4s (haven't tuned one yet) for logging can you log the calculated cat temp? Makes me wonder if the engine thinks the cat is to hot and will start adding fuel to cool it off and it actually has nothing to do with going into PE mode. I do see there is a COT tab
I'm not worried about getting the PE AF dialed in, it's that it will not come in at all unless I set my MAP settings back to a 1 bar.
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Originally Posted by ECaulk
I said about
Yup... just showing the difference...
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Originally Posted by HGT
This is with the MAP settings set to 2.5 bar. This is what I would expect but keep setting the MAP code and PE doesn't come in properly.
Remember I am at 6250 ASL and over 3" below sea level readings.

This one makes way more sense
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Originally Posted by HGT
I'm also not sure of the Siemens delivery. I hear they flow quite a bit more than 60psi so I may also need to raise this. Keep in mind, my MAF is currently dead until tomorrow.


I wouldnt even be driving it without the maf
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One method that i personally use to get around the limit of the IFR table is to double your stoich value and half your injector flow value. That way you dont have to hack up the maf because most of the ifr table is maxed out. Side effecs of this are it throws off the calculated intake valve temp so anything having to do with IVT gain i zero out and turn off transient fueling. Just a suggestion. What are your throttle settings for pe? Having the map enable at 42 would be a good reason why its staying on all the time... thats just above idle.
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Originally Posted by Slowbalt2000
I wouldnt even be driving it without the maf
It just died Wednesday... A/F is spot on during normal cruise and PE is currently overly rich. Running 91 octane and a low advance with zero knock. My only complaint is fuel consumption.
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Originally Posted by Slowbalt2000
What are your throttle settings for pe? Having the map enable at 42 would be a good reason why its staying on all the time... thats just above idle.
The PE isn't staying on, it wouldn't come on. I moved the PE Map to 42 after setting back to a 1 bar. KOEO is 39 so zero vac is 39. My throttle for PE is 50%.
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Rewiring this weekend I decided to check the MAF with another scanner and it is fine. HP Tuner quit reading the MAF and tach for some reason. I downloaded 3.6 and still no MAF or Tach reading. I guess I had better plug in to another car before contacting HP Tuner.
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HGT, update when you get this solved... I see edit on first post, is that still accurate?
Maybe its just me, but it definitely seems more people MAF tune then VE tune (MAP)... Not saying there isn't, but more just MAF tune. I'm guessing the STFT and LTFT scare people...???? Thoughts??




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