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Old Jul 16, 2016 | 11:54 AM
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Will be interested to hear options and prices when you get there. Also last I looked the quaffe 6 speed sets were slightly dropping in price.....
So your saying your considering a quaife conversion now?? That would be awesome!
There is a handful of other GM f35 parts needed for the conversion also. I have yet to reach out to quaife and ask for a this parts list. If you figure it out, post up what other parts are needed.
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Old Jul 16, 2016 | 12:52 PM
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So your saying your considering a quaife conversion now?? That would be awesome! There is a handful of other GM f35 parts needed for the conversion also. I have yet to reach out to quaife and ask for a this parts list. If you figure it out, post up what other parts are needed.
I'm really hoping you go through it first! I have a good spare trans and it's kind of a waste to use it on the kit as it comes with most everything other than a a case. Still weighing it, and would pick powells brain before I ever pulled the trigger because I'm thinking he said it actually may be weaker than a regular f35. I wonder if Matt ever did one when he was at pwerks because they offer the option.
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Old Sep 1, 2016 | 01:24 AM
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While the trans has been taking all the abuse I can throw at it, the engine AND turbo were begging for mercy. Developing a turbo seal leak, immediately after new engine installation and tuning, was a slap in the face. Finished car last Friday finally and did some testing in Mexico. More fwd no prep racing and record setting 1/4 mile pass in Topeka by the end of the month.
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Old Sep 1, 2016 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by LNFwagonSS
While the trans has been taking all the abuse I can throw at it, the engine AND turbo were begging for mercy. Developing a turbo seal leak, immediately after new engine installation and tuning, was a slap in the face. Finished car last Friday finally and did some testing in Mexico. More fwd no prep racing and record setting 1/4 mile pass in Topeka by the end of the month.
Can't wait to see how she does. Glad you are back at it.
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Old Sep 3, 2016 | 02:15 PM
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Can't wait to see how she does. Glad you are back at it.
Yes me too! Now I can focus on "other things"
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Old Sep 3, 2016 | 03:33 PM
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Yes me too! Now I can focus on "other things"
Yeah like perfecting that trans brace and building a quaffe 6 spd to see how much power they will take before breaking......
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Old Sep 13, 2016 | 11:46 AM
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Little side project I've been working on. No more bouncy rear. Should help 60' and keep car from nosing down during shifting due to too much weight transfer to rear. Fully adjustable as well.



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Old Sep 13, 2016 | 03:29 PM
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I like that!
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Old Oct 6, 2016 | 05:49 AM
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No prep got rained out couple weeks ago so they rescheduled it on the Friday I had planned for Topeka 1/4 mile. So that threw a wrench into my plans.

A few weeks ago, I was able to test the strapped rear setup at local 1/8 mile. Considering the track wasn't prepped and was super slick for these runs, I wasn't too upset with 60' times. But look at how rediculously consistent it was. Made 6 passes and All runs were within 0.10s (one-tenth of a second) of each other.

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Here's video of my second run, which was also the slowest of the day


THEN, last week at no prep, on my first run, it launched with a 1.83 60' then clutch wouldn't hold after the 1st-2nd NLS which cost me over 1/2 of a second and also cost me the race. Opponent beat me by 0.4s.. Just my luck. Gonna flush out the dot 3 and refill with fresh fluid to see if it helps any. New Master Cyl couldn't hurt either I suppose. If it doesn't help, looks like I will have to wait until next year for the 1/4mile numbers as I would save up for Clutchmasters twin disc setup.
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Old Oct 11, 2016 | 11:12 AM
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your better off strapping the front

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Old Oct 11, 2016 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbelvedere
r better off strapping the front
Do tell us your method.
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Old Oct 11, 2016 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbelvedere
r better off strapping the front
For sure. Rear still needs to be pretty stiff. The front will be a little more difficult. Haven't decided how I want to do it yet. Basic chain links will work but I'd like to incorporate the same adjustable strap setup.
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Old Oct 12, 2016 | 12:11 PM
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remove your rear setup and put it on the front. you want some weight to transition to the rear so the car is about level so its constantly putting weight on the front
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Old Oct 12, 2016 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbelvedere
remove your rear setup and put it on the front. you want some weight to transition to the rear so the car is about level so its constantly putting weight on the front
That's exactly what it does. Their is still weight transfer to the rear. I can adjust how much weight transfer I want with the pressure in the bags and/or the height of the limit straps. No need to remove it. Just need to limit the front end lift. One of the many winter projects to add to the list.


BTW, heading to Topeka on Friday for some 1/4 mile passes finally! I flushed out the Dot3 for some fresh dot4 fluid so I'm hoping that will help the clutch issue. If not, I'll just have to lift while shifting
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Old Oct 12, 2016 | 06:20 PM
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Your trans will like you for the lifting shifting. Looking forward to your 1/4 times if you get off the line as well as you were in the 1/8.
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Old Oct 16, 2016 | 03:57 PM
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Strapping the front will virtually eliminate weight transfer with a good set of drag bags in the rear. I thought about pioneering a super secret setup for these cars but i doubt its going to happen. Its something ive discussed before but i dont see enough hardcore racers to consider doing this and a one off will be huge cage.

Cough... you need a sheet metal intake and piping from me..... cough cough
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Old Oct 16, 2016 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Omiotek
Strapping the front will virtually eliminate weight transfer with a good set of drag bags in the rear. I thought about pioneering a super secret setup for these cars but i doubt its going to happen. Its something ive discussed before but i dont see enough hardcore racers to consider doing this and a one off will be huge cage. Cough... you need a sheet metal intake and piping from me..... cough cough
I think you should pioneer it......
Thanks for mentioning the intake again. I will go pout again.
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Old Oct 16, 2016 | 08:42 PM
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Its an expensive endeavor that would definately help keep the power planted. Ill do iy if someone steps to the plate

You can do an intake mani

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Old Oct 17, 2016 | 04:21 AM
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Well, if I could've pulled my head out of my ass for more than one pass, it would've made an 11 second pass. I was simply not mentally ready for 1/4 mile. Kept forgetting about my 3-4 shift because I'm hard wired for 1/8. Seriously pathetic lol, I mean who forgets to shift?! The worst run was when I panicked to shift to 4th and I NLS from 3rd to 2nd!!! Dumbest most noob **** I've ever done. I got lucky, trans and engine are still fine and I went out and made a 12.1 pass afterward. WHEW! Nonetheless, the car did excellent. Was pulling 1.7 60' all day with ease. So close to 11s. BUT, I can now claim to be the fastest stock chassis HHR on the planet, so there's that.

BTW I'm not sure how many transmissions can hold together after being NLS from 3rd to 2nd...but this one sure does

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Old Oct 17, 2016 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LNFwagonSS
Well, if I could've pulled my head out of my ass for more than one pass, it would've made an 11 second pass. I was simply not mentally ready for 1/4 mile. Kept forgetting about my 3-4 shift because I'm hard wired for 1/8. Seriously pathetic lol, I mean who forgets to shift?! The worst run was when I panicked to shift to 4th and I NLS from 3rd to 2nd!!! Dumbest most noob **** I've ever done. I got lucky, trans and engine are still fine and I went out and made a 12.1 pass afterward. WHEW! Nonetheless, the car did excellent. Was pulling 1.7 60' all day with ease. So close to 11s. BUT, I can now claim to be the fastest stock chassis HHR on the planet, so there's that. BTW I'm not sure how many transmissions can hold together after being NLS from 3rd to 2nd...but this one sure does
Awesome job on the run and I'm really envious on your 60's that's just awesome. You definitely have the launch way more figured out than I do as I was still laying down 2.05 on slicks. On a fwd stick car there is a lot that goes on, running a 1/4 mile. I was skeptical that you would be able to run out the 1/4 in 3rd and it sounds like you couldn't. I can't believe your motor or trans didn't pop on that shift. Glad you were able to drive it home.
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Old Oct 17, 2016 | 11:34 AM
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Awesome job on the run and I'm really envious on your 60's that's just awesome. You definitely have the launch way more figured out than I do as I was still laying down 2.05 on slicks. On a fwd stick car there is a lot that goes on, running a 1/4 mile. I was skeptical that you would be able to run out the 1/4 in 3rd and it sounds like you couldn't. I can't believe your motor or trans didn't pop on that shift. Glad you were able to drive it home.
Thanks! It's the turbos fault I can't run out the 1/4 in 3rd I believe. The ratios and tire size are able to do it if I could rev over 7k but that's just not feasible with this tiny turbo
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Wish the 3.82's could be trusted with big power.
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Old Oct 17, 2016 | 05:31 PM
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Wish the 3.82's could be trusted with big power.
I'm not so sure you would want 3.82 for drag racing unless the car was gutted for weight loss and/or a fast spooling turbo was used. As others have mentioned, the 1-2 shift is not the most ideal ratio change (especially with 3.82 fd) unless you have the power down low to back it up, then it becomes very useful.

As far as 3rd gear pulls, I wouldnt discount the 3.82 just yet unless we're talking 500+tq. I'm hoping I can make that gearing usable for the 450tq cars with a reasonable tq curve but that has yet to be determined or proven. Time will tell.

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3.82 would give you the best chance at revving out and finishing in 3rd. That's all I was trying to say. I think the 4.05 sounds like the perfect in between trans.
Was just playing around today and tried going 2nd to 4th (shifted to 3rd first then down without letting clutch out) and at 6,000 when I got to 4th I was at about 3,300, with the 4.45. Wonder what 6,700 would net. I know the ratio isn't great for power, but not shifting 3-4 towards the top end and slowing the car down in the process would be worth trying once. I'm sure it's still faster going through the gears and revving them out especially if you are going to nls.
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Old Oct 18, 2016 | 01:20 AM
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3.82 would give you the best chance at revving out and finishing in 3rd. That's all I was trying to say. I think the 4.05 sounds like the perfect in between trans.
Was just playing around today and tried going 2nd to 4th (shifted to 3rd first then down without letting clutch out) and at 6,000 when I got to 4th I was at about 3,300, with the 4.45. Wonder what 6,700 would net. I know the ratio isn't great for power, but not shifting 3-4 towards the top end and slowing the car down in the process would be worth trying once. I'm sure it's still faster going through the gears and revving them out especially if you are going to nls.
With the 4.45, a 1-3 shift would be much more effective in that scenario. You know how it feels starting around 40 in 3rd

NLS with this trans is virtually effortless. This thing NLS so smooth. I shift really f****** fast and the trans accepts it every time unless I fubar the pattern. So the 3-4 shift can't be holding me back much. Maybe I just need to throw the 3.82 gears in for next year with the TQ of the 6758 Zfr and see what it can do. Hmmm
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