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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 05:15 PM
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Hahn's "No Tap" Oil system

Hey, I've been looking at this for a while and I'm trying to figure out how they are returning the oil without tapping the pan/block. Has anyone bought the kit to know where they return to?
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 05:21 PM
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Through the side cover.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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take the drain plug out, and replace it with an an fitting
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 05:51 PM
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how much is this kit running?
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 05:57 PM
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Anybody got any pics of the return? I knew the oil feed was through the plug, not sure about where it returns though.

I think the kit is like 140, but if I can figure out what fitting they used I'll just go to lowes and get it.
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 10:57 PM
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Here is the oil pan plug replacement.







The oil feed into the turbo comes one one of these


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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 12:32 AM
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Haha, what the ****?

I suggested doing that for the return and everyone told me if was a stupid idea. I guess there's no problem with that being too low and under the oil level? That's awesome, I wonder if I can get that size at a lowes or hardware store? Anyone know the size? I'm guessing that's probably going to be hard to find in a store.... Maybe Hahn will sell me just the fitting.
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 12:52 AM
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Im pretty sure Hahn will sell you the plug. Looking over by invoice I think it is part number H TZ-5340 I doubt you're going to find a ecotec drain plug with a hole in it at Lowes

I didn't use mine and gave it to a friend for his turbo. it is working fine for him

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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 01:00 AM
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He's got it tapped looks like, unless SS/SS's have a top plug too. 2.2s don't have the top drain plug.

I'm thinking putting it so low is going to cause backup.
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 01:10 AM
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that's my car. I had a bung welded in at the top of the oil pan for the drain. The oil pan plug is the one below
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bolus
that's my car. I had a bung welded in at the top of the oil pan for the drain. The oil pan plug is the one below
Oh, so the Hahn one DOES intend on using the bottom drain plug?

If so, that doesn't sound like the smartest plan. But, if it works it works I guess.
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 01:28 AM
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Yeah, it seems to work fine even with the drain plug being the lowest part of the oil pan
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 01:56 AM
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you mean like this...



or this...


or this...


or this...

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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 02:07 AM
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Thanks a lot guys for all the pics, I'm planning on using the same kind of line, it's high pressure hose.

I don't think stainless is totally necessary.
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 01:55 PM
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ask and you shall recieve!

turbo guys love to help turbo guys... it those heaton's that i dont care for

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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 02:37 PM
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Looks like I'm not going to get anything back from Hahn, sent them an email yesterday, haven't heard anything.
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 02:43 PM
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ok they wont tell u how it run but its like this

oil leaves turbo, goes into a tee, small tee leads into the water pump plate on the passenger side of the engine, u can see if witht he wheel off, its held on by 4 10mm bolts, its sort of a circle shaped thing, than the big part of the tee leads into the drain plug fitting, u can make the kit urself for ~20bucks if you go to a hard ware store, u need the following

drain fitting for turbo(with barb'd end)
a tee with the same in/out as yoru turbos fitting, and the tee to be 1/2 the size of the main hoses
a 90* npt to barb fitting, same size as the small tee
hoses
clamps


and than route it all urself
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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a few of those pictures in them selves prove that its a flawed system.

see the oil puddling and dripping from the bottom of the exhasut housing on the 3rd pic?

on a journal barring turbo in witch you use full operating oil pressure(not all journal barring turbos are like this) i could see this possibly working as you'll have enough exiting oil pressure to over come the oil at the bottom of the pan, however on a DBB CHRA this would be epic and total fail. as those CHRA's tend to operate at oil pressures in the single digits.
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 03:01 PM
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if this would work, then y would you need the drain plug to have a hole in it itself? considering that youd have to unscrew the fitting either way to drain your oil. or just unclamp and pull off hose
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 06black
a few of those pictures in them selves prove that its a flawed system.

see the oil puddling and dripping from the bottom of the exhasut housing on the 3rd pic?

on a journal barring turbo in witch you use full operating oil pressure(not all journal barring turbos are like this) i could see this possibly working as you'll have enough exiting oil pressure to over come the oil at the bottom of the pan, however on a DBB CHRA this would be epic and total fail. as those CHRA's tend to operate at oil pressures in the single digits.
QFTT. I gotta buddy with a turbo'ed engine swap civic. He was having the problem of the puddling since he was running the return directly into the oil pan plug.

He is now using a new engine and new turbo with a proper oil return. Can you guess why he went with an entirely new setup?
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 03:03 PM
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^^^^^ cuz this crap=FAIL!!!!
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 03:06 PM
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I also have another friend with a turbo LS civic. His turbo crapped out on him using the oil pan plug return. He is now using a new turbo with a proper oil return.
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 03:18 PM
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then FAILx2
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Old Mar 27, 2009 | 03:36 PM
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I really wanted to avoid tapping the oil drain boss on the block, but looks like it's the best choice at this point.

Anybody have an alternative?
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