I just installed some 9007 12k Bi-Xenon HID's last night and i love the way they look, BUT the Hi beam feature does not work? I read the instructions about the tension clip might be to tight be our cars don't have a tension clip. Does anybody know how to get the Bi-Xenon Hi-beams to work on our cars?

 

12000K . thats like purple man. anyway. unless you plan on putting in a projector with bi xenon, then you are not going to have high beams. sorry

 

If i were to put projectors then the bulb type would change to H1, which don't come in a Bi-xenon kit. The 9007's come with this feature for reagular headlight units so it has to work some how.

 

but a xenon bulb has a single arc. not a dual filiment bulb. so you have no high beams...period. check in the appearance section inthe sticki for hids

 

Anybody know how to get the Hi-beams to work!

 

So are you saying that its false advertising? and the whole Bi-Xenon thing is a lie?

 

12k

can u even see the road...

haha

they gotta suck!! all they do it make bad glare for everybody else on the road

 

What are you talking about can i even see the road. HELL YA I CAN!! The lights are so freakin clear and crisp! You can see every little crack and rock in the road!

 

find it very hard to believe (may be able to "see" the road, but you cant really "see" what you are supposed to see with real HID system), have had lots of tests with HIDS on all my friends cars...

read up my friend

I think just about everyone knows HIDs were first used by car manufacturers as OEM and that is where their increasing aftermarket interest comes from. But what is the drive for a manufacturer to use them as OEM? Quite simply they realize the benefits of using the new technology to create better vehicle lighting systems with a much higher level of equipment longevity. Be aware that 90-99% of the aftermarket “kits” out there do not fall into the same qualifications as the OEM equipment, so comments about quality and specification may not apply.

OEM HID arose out of the need for better lighting and alleviation from the limitations of older incandescent halogen bulb technology. Halogen technology has its limitations in achieving increases in output. Minor increases in luminous output (brightness) require a decrease in longevity of the bulbs and the byproduct of heat. Anyone that has used aftermarket higher wattage bulbs knows that they typically do not last very long. However, today’s newer cars that are still equipped with halogen systems the apparent focus has been on improving the optics rather than increasing the output of individual bulbs. Halogen’s major drawback is the fact that it requires a thin filament to produce light to convert electrical current to heat and light. Cars take some abuse in performing their task and bulb filaments eventually fail in part due to vibration.

HID alleviates the filament issue, because, as I will cover later, they do not use filaments at all. The HID bulb (appropriately called a capsule or a burner) has the benefit of producing approximately three times more lumens without the drawbacks of using a filament. The issue of vibration is therefore removed from the equation allowing the bulbs to be incredibly hardy as a light source. OEM bulbs and ballasts are meant to perform as “life of car” parts, meaning they should not experience failure under normal use for the natural life of your car. In most cases they will last until after you trade, sell, or junk your car.

There is also a benefit in the color of the light produced by HID lamps over that of conventional halogen bulbs. A couple things need to be said about correlated color temperature first, as it is rather difficult to explain in lay language. The degree Kelvin that color hue is correlated with does not indicate in any way to the operating temperature of our source. The correlated color temperature scale simply relates the color hue of light produced from different sources to one benchmark, a super heated block of carbon. What is important to know is that we can relate the scale to daylight and familiar color hues. Typical daylight is about 5000k, pure yellow is around 3000k, white is around 4000k, and blues become apparent around 5500-6000k. I say apparent because most people think of natural daylight as white, where it really has some blue hue to it. Most unfiltered/uncolored halogen bulbs put out around 3500-3700k light, and as they age they go down the color scale becoming more yellow. All OEM HID comes with 4100k bulbs (there are also OEM 5000k and 6000k) and as they age they go up the color scale becoming bluer.

Those values only indicate where most of the light produced by the source falls in the color spectrum. In actuality, there is light all over the scale being produced. Without getting too much into Human physiology and the realm of sensation and perception, our physiology dictates that our eyes see better in natural daylight. Millions of years of evolution have adapted them to be that way. The closer to natural daylight your output, the more “useable” light there is for you to see. Each color is made up of a combination of intensity from each wavelength, and the 4100k color hue has spectra most heavily weighted in wavelengths around 505nanometers, where our eyes are uniquely most sensitive. A value too low or too high on the scale skews everything to that one side and decreases the intensity in our sensitive range. Therefore the 4100k produced by OEM HID bulbs is beneficial over the typical halogen output.

There is a gimmick among aftermarket kit producers to advertise 8000,10000, 12000, and yes even 30,000k kits, which completely negates all the benefits of using HID in the first place. The fact is these are cheaply made bulbs and the manufacturer does not even know what color temperature the output really is. The equipment to measure color hue is very, very expensive and not something a manufacturer of illegal kits would want to waste money on. In addition, anything that high on the color scale would produce almost no spectra in the sensitive range of visible light, 10000k is better suited for insects that see in the ultraviolet spectrum.

The color output is also subject to scattering of light; certain wavelengths will scatter more from interference than others. Diffraction occurs through interference with the water vapor in air, more so when there is a lot of it such as in inclement weather. It is the same effect that causes the sky to be blue! We perceive different wavelengths of light as different colors of the visual spectrum (rainbow). In order of large to small wavelength the major colors are red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. Smaller wavelengths are subject to diffraction more than larger ones because of simple physics. As you go towards blue hues, the more subject it is to scattering due to interference, meaning it creates what we would call glare and difficult visibility in bad weather. Yellow or orange-yellow has the combination of the least scattering and a majority of output still inside of the sensitive visible range, making it optimal for inclement weather. This is why you see yellow fog lights and honking big yellow lights on some rally cars.

The diffraction of blue light also lends to the phenomenon of “eye fatigue.” Eye fatigue refers to the phenomenon in which shortest wavelengths of blue actually are incorrectly focused by the eye simply because of physical design of our anatomy. Briefly, very short wavelengths in the blue spectrum cause some blurring of our field of vision, which can become worse over the time of exposure. Maybe you won’t notice when you get in your car, but an hour down the road you may start having difficulty with visual acuity.

 

He said that because the higher the number you go the less light output. And as from what I understand about HID you only have what the bulb puts out, so no brights.

 

^^ interesting information.

but the bias in the article is so obvious he might as well have shouted it.

 

I understand what you are saying but this is what i wrote to Vision bulbs in a pm.

"I purchased your bi-xenon kit. My question is, how much brighter are the highs compared to the lows, sicnce the lows are already so bright. Thanks"

This was their reply

"The highs are slightly brighter than the lows. You will deifnitely notice them. They are not rcommended for use unless needed (such as extremely dark roads)."

 

I don't know how you get them to work, but I know they do work. I have a 9007 kit in my car but I don't have the high beam option. Your probably better off asking someone from Vision bulbs about this because it seems no one in this thread so far even have a concept of what your asking.

 

I have a NIB 6000K Kit for Sale..

9007 Bulb

www.visionbulbs.com

$180.00 Shipped

 

wow. busting into a question thread with an ad for your **** is kinda lame.

 

This thread is going no where any way...... 9007 HID = NO HIGH BEAMS

 

In a sense , it was false advertising . There is so such thing as Bi-Xenon convertion bulbs for conventional headlights . As stated before , a HID bulb is a single arch , theres no possible way to make it work for a high beam as well . A 9007 halogen bulb like what came stock has 2 filaments inside the capsule , 1 for lows , 1 for highs .

I'll explain how HID high beams work too , so you know why high beams out of an HID bulb is not possible unless the headlight housing was made for it . For one ..the term Bi-Xenon refers to the type of projector housing used ....not a specific bulb . Cars that have OEM Bi-Xenon lights use the same DS1 , DS2 ect bulb as cars that use a low beam HID with a separate halogen high beam bulb . In a bi-Xenon projector housing theres and electric selonoid and a shudder . When u hit the high beams , that shudder in the housing moves and refracts the light to a high beam pattern . No changes actually occur within the bulb itself , just the way its reflected .

I know Uneeks Halo conversion kit specifically tells you up front for dual filament halogen bulbs like a 9007 , you lose the high beams .

 

There is a bixenon kit by vision bulbs for the 9007 that OH BOY! has 2 seperate HID bulbs in each assembly. So you get a high (which by the way is not in regards to the output of light but is about the height of the cut off) and a low beam.

And Dak use ebay or something. Obviously no one wants to buy your HID set-up. I'm guessing I am not the only person you've PMd either.

 

Looks that way. I have been trying to sell this kit for months.. rediculous. This forum is horrible for selling things.. Mostly "not everyone" on hear is a younger and obviously broke as hell.

 

You gotta be kidding me

 

That packaging looks nothing like mine! at least some of you got a response!

 

I have no clue what you mean by this.... Did you buy a 6000K kit from Vision bulbs?

 

There is no way that there are two HID capsules on each assembly. Even so, there is no way that one will specifically light up the highbeam area of the reflector and vise versa.

 

If a company went thru the ridiculousness of making a hid capsule and mirrored 2 hid capsules next to each other with the same 9007 base ....I dont think they care where the light goes All they gotta say is offroad use only for the leagal dept. and then be hero's to all the uneducated people that can now HID brightlights too

 

Not really, unless vision bulbs have no idea what they are selling or are lying about this.


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