I have been told by many here that to get true non glare HID's on our balt ss/tc's , we have to get a retrofitted kit which is alot of money.

so that being aside, i wanted to get projector lights for my balt ss/tc. i know with them you don't have to deal with the dangerous glare from a HID kit, BUT, CAN YOU REALLY SEE THE ROAD BETTER WITH PROJECTORS?

the projectors are halogens I assume, but are these halogens in the projector kits BRIGHTER than our stock oem halogens???

can you order a projector kit with brighter than stock halogens??? because i just need to have better night vision!!

OR, can we just replace our stock oem halogens and pop a brighter set of halogens in???

any help would b appreciated.......

 

Right, around $700 for someone to do it for you

Not true, those halogen projectors on ebay are still made to reflect a halogen bulb and not an hid one. You might still get glare with a halogen projector, and the output still wont be as good as with an oem hid projector.

Not really, the bulb is still a halogen one and the light output will be similar, maybe a bit more focused.

If you can find brighter bulbs then sure, but i doubt it. And those piaa 55watt = 85watt bulbs are just marketing fluff.

 

so i guess unless i want to pay 700 bucks for a reto hid kit, i'm out of luck??

you would think with the projector plug and play kit you would not have 1.) glare with the oem housings because the projector bulbs themselves are also halogens! 2.) and you would also think that the projector halogen bulbs would be offered as a stronger brighter bulb!!

sounds like if i got the plug and play projector kit for my balt ss/tc I would just be getting the same intensity light with just a little more beam focus!!! and with possibly more glare!!?? AND, WHILE NOT EVEN IMPROVING MY NIGHT VISION!!

i just wanna see the road better and not blind anyone else or get a ticket!!!! frustrating.....

 

if u want safety and light put a pair of HID's in projecters. TADAA

 

either you should have bought a mazda 3 grand touring or MS3, or do retrofit

 

no thanx to the ms3 gt option, (i would prob. shatter my ms3 HID housings after slamming into a concrete median form the torque steer anyway lol)

3b said you csn get a projector/hid combo with improved cut off line for 310 shipped. i'm not sure what that kit entails though....

 

Get Gen 1 projectors and slap a HID kit. Same as OEM hids on any other car, no glare, razer sharp cut off line. amazing light output.

 

I'd love to see some pics of that and see how those halogen projectors defy the laws of optics.

 

Option 1: HID kit in stock headlights = BIG NO NO!!!

Option 2: HID kit in aftermarket projector lights = Good respectable solution for HID's on a budget. Halogen projectors still tend to focus light directly infront of the car instead of spreading the beam out. They have to do this since they have a limited amount of lumen output from the halogen bulb.

Option 3: Do retrofit yourself = About the same price as option 2, can get hairy if you don't know what your doing.

Option 4: Pay someone to do retrofit for you. lookup smartdude24, if he isn't too busy with another set.

 

can someone please tell me why it's not a good idea to put hid's in stock headlights? 3 of my buddy's have done it and they have not had any problems at all in their cars... nothing catchin on fire or blowing up or nething

 

Because the reflectors of the headlights have the focal point at the exact location of the halogen filament. When you put an hid bulb in the stock reflector, the area of the light output on the hid bulb is in a different location than it is on the halogen bulb. That makes the light output not at the focal point of the reflector, causing light to be reflected in directions it was not designed to be. This causes a ton of glare in the eyes of oncoming traffic. Plus it looks like trash.

 

Speaking of spreading the beam out, i give you the ls430 super wide lowbeam hid projector. Car is a slight incline, so that's why its illuminating the trees.



You're making too much sense...

 

that picture speaks a thousand words. To think that aftermarket bulbs and ballasts stuffed into a lamp designed for halogen bulb focal points is flawed logic.

I tried the hid in stock reflectors, and all kinds of aiming variations only to find out that the beam uniformity is just horrible. Then whenever id go over a large bump, one bulb would go out... so i ripped that junk off and went back to OEM while i waited for the retrofit.


Every HID app in aftermarket halogen projectors is horribly uneven or has silly cutoff. i think liljone posts one pic of his Gen1's with HID, and the cutoff is nice, but mega hotspots that take away your far field vision, and the beam width is about 2 lanes wide

 

Ah....I love those projectors, too bad they aren't bi-xenon...

Here is my current project:

 

To answer one question: No, you get less light output and can not see as much road with a projector. The reflector or refractor housing such as in out cobalts stock puts down 40% more light... So if you want to have more light output than Color.. ( The Color chart\kelvin) the higher the color the lower the light output ... A 5k or 6k bulb will make 30% more light then an 8k bulb and higher just has a cool color but with a lot less light.... So basically, a 5k-6k will give you more light then higher numbers if this what you want.. but the beem pattern is snaller... You really want some seriouds light? use the stock lights and do a 5k-6k 9007 bulb kit... it'll be $200-250 money well spent.....


So with these projectors I recommend going with either 5k or 6k for that slight blue tint...

 

moved to the appearance section. honestly, why did you post this in the performance section?

 

I don't know where you get your info from, and where you pull these percentages out of, but they are completely wrong. The stock reflector housing is HORRIBLY inefficient, especially when you put an HID capsule in there and destroy the optics. Yes, you are outputing a lot of light, but a lot of it is shining into the sky instead of on the road where you want it (GLARE!!!) Projectors take ALL of the light output and filter it past a cutoff shield and spread it on the ground.

Seriously, look at your stock headlight beam pattern, then look at the picture of the LS430 projectors posted earlier.

 

Just put HIDs in projectors...like 6K or less...to not worry about offending folks...that is what I did...BTW im selling HIDs for projectors....in my for sale thread...3b spec sells good ones. I also have the best halogens that I think you can purchase -- Silverstar 9007 bulbs. My HIDs are SOOOO much better. I hit a freaking deer when I just had halogen projectors.

 

Someone made a thread yesterday about Saturn Aura headlights fitting our cars but I cant find it. They are projectors...is this true, will they fit??

 

...i guess its the performane of his headlights





there VERY similair but there angled differently, i cant see them fitting... besides there f***kin ugly

 

I like the Astra head lights, I was thinking about picking up a set and a spare set of cobalt lights and working on a new style retrofit, but I just don't have the time or talent... or money.

 

haha ya theyre kinda ugly but who knows what theyd look like on a balt oh well

 

I guess the Op of the thread made yesterday decided to delete it...
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...ht=Astra+retro

 

Someone did a retro with astra headlights, I can't remember the username though.

 

i second that..i have the gen 1 projectors with an 8000k HID kit...look great