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Old 08-14-2014, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by KMO43
Blue if you stil don't have your meth when we come down and if the roads are ok I'll run you. I know I have no chance when you have meth spraying but I saw what you did to Jonathan in your TVS build so I want to try and see if I can do a solid for LNFs and Calgarians. I don't have my hopes too high but think it'll be fun either way
Ya man agreed. I'm always up for a run .
Old 08-14-2014, 08:42 PM
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well I didn't spray in my mouth but I did rig it up on the windshield yesterday and sprayed that as I was setting my activation. if ur mouth is on it ya, It would be bad, but a little ways away, make the pump come in slowly, I think u could do it lol just gotta install the taps. but only get beer under boost.
I love the thought you put into this!!

Here you go tom on the left is a STG1 timing basically the same as stock and on the right is mine on meth

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Old 08-14-2014, 08:46 PM
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did some msds lookups on some Canadian tire windshield washer fluid to find cheaper methanol. here are the 2 best I found for nice and cheap.

rain-x deicer = 40-50 % methanol $4.49
motomaster -45 = 40-50 % methanol $3.79

motomaster is cheaper than getting pure meth and mixing.

for whoever wants it cheaper.
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The only thing with running washer fluid is I've seen guys burn through throttle bodies because the dye in the fluid gums it up over time.
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Originally Posted by tomj77
did some msds lookups on some Canadian tire windshield washer fluid to find cheaper methanol. here are the 2 best I found for nice and cheap.

rain-x deicer = 40-50 % methanol $4.49
motomaster -45 = 40-50 % methanol $3.79

motomaster is cheaper than getting pure meth and mixing.

for whoever wants it cheaper.
Thanks for the info I can just add a tiny bit of 100% to get to my 75% ratio
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Originally Posted by Bluelightning
The only thing with running washer fluid is I've seen guys burn through throttle bodies because the dye in the fluid gums it up over time.
why is there always a downside. must find some with no color then lol
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Originally Posted by Bluelightning
The only thing with running washer fluid is I've seen guys burn through throttle bodies because the dye in the fluid gums it up over time.
Hmmm cause I went through a TB already but lately I've been mixing my own in the winter I run the -40
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Blue Thunder Windshield Washer Fluid from princess auto for 2.68 at 40-49 % ethanol
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Originally Posted by KMO43
Hmmm cause I went through a TB already but lately I've been mixing my own in the winter I run the -40
how long did ur tb last
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how long did ur tb last
It went this winter so a couple years but I wasn't spraying that much until lately
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why does snow color theirs red then if it causes issues.
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Originally Posted by KMO43
I love the thought you put into this!!

Here you go tom on the left is a STG1 timing basically the same as stock and on the right is mine on meth

lol see I have no idea what this chart means. explain. I wanna learn. lol
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Originally Posted by KMO43
It went this winter so a couple years but I wasn't spraying that much until lately
did it look funky and gunked up? maybe the meth destroys seals where the plate actuates and gets into the electrics of the tb. that could be why it dies. must do some research on this, im gonna go look at the one I got in the shop
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OK so it's rpm vs load% so say at 3000rpm @ 100% load it's at 23* on the stock profile. Since meth sprays at high load I changed the 200% area because that is the full throttle part of the graph where I know the meth is spraying. Now to get more complicated I could make the same table rpm vs load% and datalog my meth flow from my AEM gauge to be able to see how much and where the meth is spraying to be able to adjust the lower parts of the table too
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Originally Posted by tomj77
did it look funky and gunked up? maybe the meth destroys seals where the plate actuates and gets into the electrics of the tb. that could be why it dies. must do some research on this, im gonna go look at the one I got in the shop
Nope looked clean and brand new it was seized and wouldn't move at all even taking it apart as much as I could didn't help. Just buy a couple LE5 TBs from mongo he sells them for $50ea running washer fluid you'll save that $50 in a couple months over buying real meth
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Originally Posted by KMO43
Nope looked clean and brand new it was seized and wouldn't move at all even taking it apart as much as I could didn't help. Just buy a couple LE5 TBs from mongo he sells them for $50ea running washer fluid you'll save that $50 in a couple months over buying real meth
ah interesting. I guess the gunk gets into the tiny space there is at the plate actuator.
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Originally Posted by KMO43
OK so it's rpm vs load% so say at 3000rpm @ 100% load it's at 23* on the stock profile. Since meth sprays at high load I changed the 200% area because that is the full throttle part of the graph where I know the meth is spraying. Now to get more complicated I could make the same table rpm vs load% and datalog my meth flow from my AEM gauge to be able to see how much and where the meth is spraying to be able to adjust the lower parts of the table too
makes sense. so u basically set what timing u want, see if it knocks, if it doesn't, go up a little more, ect ect??
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Ya my buddy Kevin who was one of the OG LSJ-T's on here many years back went through 4 throttle bodies spraying windshield washer fluid though it.

Plus I plan to run either 75/25 or 100% meth so I'd just rather buy it from motion and mix it myself.
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I built a meth injected pre TB M62 in 2007 and in 2012 when it was sold I had to replace the M62 as long term corrosion from the meth had seized the boost bleed butterfly shaft. The TB was still good. Thats all I know. I would suggest that replacing the TB is a good idea to eliminate that part of it. I hate to just replace parts but there is no doubt that few folks have experience with true long term effects of meth use.
I published a chart of wwaf a long time ago on here compiled by area47 with some meth contents. Rainx is not a good one to use imho. This chart was done in 2007 so its old and probably needs to be updated
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Awesome chart John! I'd prefer to spray post TB myself but I can't find a TB spacer for a 2.4.
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Originally Posted by Powell Race Parts
I built a meth injected pre TB M62 in 2007 and in 2012 when it was sold I had to replace the M62 as long term corrosion from the meth had seized the boost bleed butterfly shaft. The TB was still good. Thats all I know. I would suggest that replacing the TB is a good idea to eliminate that part of it. I hate to just replace parts but there is no doubt that few folks have experience with true long term effects of meth use.
I published a chart of wwaf a long time ago on here compiled by area47 with some meth contents. Rainx is not a good one to use imho. This chart was done in 2007 so its old and probably needs to be updated
Where's the crappy tire section??
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Originally Posted by tomj77
makes sense. so u basically set what timing u want, see if it knocks, if it doesn't, go up a little more, ect ect??
Timing is one of the last things you change. First set everything how you want it boost, cam timing ect and then start slowly adding timing. The knock table on my scanner is the same as that table so if there is any knock you can copy the knock table and subtract it from your timing table in HP Tuners
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Just don't pull a James Rakes and jam timing anywhere in the table the car will possibly take it lol. Forced me to learn what's actually being done to my car pretty fast. The car ripped hard till I blew #1 sleeve in half.
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Originally Posted by Bluelightning
Just don't pull a James Rakes and jam timing anywhere in the table the car will possibly take it lol. Forced me to learn what's actually being done to my car pretty fast. The car ripped hard till I blew #1 sleeve in half.
I love the new saying "******* James Rakes tune" I'm doing baby steps and if you look at the 2 timing tables I am running less timing down low from previous tunes but that was with my old leaking intercooler. I was basically setting up my fuel trims and clutch went before I really tried tuning. I have the RPD and I always have it set on knock since I'm most worried about that.
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Here Blue is the difference between my timing and stock on my car. As you can see up top where my meth is spraying I'm running a lot more but down low I'm actually less than stock

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