T CUPP

Okay so a guy around town wants to run his Civic hatch with a 2006 k24 swap in it. He says he only has the swap nothing else. We are racing from a 60 roll. Who will win?

jonathan923

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Your mods again?

dcrep06

^^ what he said. also will you brake boost?

Gobolt210

really depends, k24 is like 210 HP just the swap. but if he can swap why stop there.. your looking at
a 200-300 HP car N/A weighing prolly under 2000lbs. If your stock with a driver mod maybe you can get him from a dig but i would be cheap and give him a 50-60 roll to feel it out a bit.

dcrep06

the hatchie will prolly get him from a dig. shouldnt be a problem at all from a roll unless the hatchie is lying about mods.

noorj

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eg or ek hatch? eg is about 200-300lbs lighter. As long as you have a decent tune I wouldn't worry about it, the 300whp NA's need a **** ton of work.

T CUPP

i have full boltons, zzp transmission with 4.05 gear, zzp stage 4 clutch, ottp stage 2 trans mounts, and a m-dub tune. I dyno'd at 329whp 404tq. I think the hatch has a k24 swap with a k20a2 head and its a 94cx

would break boosting really help since stock turbo spools fast?

noorj

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Yeah, at least from a roll I think it would help just a little bit. I think it may be close but you should have him.


Side note, +respect for getting a trans before even a turbo swap don't know many people who do that but good idea!

T CUPP

well it is a guy in high school and everyone around knows i am the fastest cobalt around so if your the fastest your gonna have a target on your back for someone to beat you. I do not think the guy can drive. I havent told him anything about my car other than an intake and front mount. Thanks man. The transmission was put in because one shop told me the trans screwed up but it was the zzp stage 4 clutch the springs in the disc came out. So i put a transmission in for nothing. Plan on going with the efr within the next week.

dcrep06

brake boosting always helps, trust me. im similar numbers to you, just a little bit less. and there is a big dif between brake boosting, esp if you manage to hold it full boost and maintain the roll speed. you will walk this guy easily from a roll, even if you start down at 40 where you will spin tires for sure, you will still get him. he would have to be a good driver and you suck at driving to win lol. from a dig, he might get you unless you have radialss, just cuz of the weight dif and your traction issues. cuz ive done a similar race before.

dcrep06

i would do the same thing with the transmission but zzp doesnt ship them out no more and im too far to drive and install otherwise i would have just gotten it as i just broke my 5th gear recently i wish i had a zzp trans, such horseshit! lol.

T CUPP

well i may do a 50 roll because i am right at 3000 rpms at 50mph and it gives me more pull. Just depends on when i see the car. I have a feeling the car has a little more done than what he is telling but i can almost bet i will pull him from the start because a honda doesnt make that good of torque. It will be videoed by my friends in there 400+ sti's

Balt_and_Vette

He will definitely grab you off the lights to about 80-100 but after that you will reel him in fast. From a roll he will hold on to your bumper for all of third but as soon as you grab 4th it's game over for him. I've done this already and I have the same numbers as you.

jonathan923

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yea youll beat him for sure...

JBThrasher22

In OP if you said your racing from a 60 roll you should walk on away from him. I have raced countless hatches with straight k swaps and hybrid k swaps ( k24 block / k20 head ). Unless he is well bolted and has a decent tune on the car you should walk on away without problems. He will need to spin his car to the upper power band to consistently hold power where your instant tq will give you the jump and keep you pulling. Now if it was done at lower speeds where his inability to spin could play a factor in him jumping you would have to play catch up but from that high of a roll you should be able to walk on away.

But with any race just do it and find out the results.

huckernage

i have tested it




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cranemaster

Im sorry but 400TQ to the wheels will lay down the law on this honda. Hes got like 150? lol

Of course bagging your FWD off the line the honda will have the edge. But im pretty sure you could have 4 x 220+LB passengers and still pull on him on the highway <_<

Lets be realistic about this, 400TQ is f*cked in a FWD car - kinda a different angle of performance compared to a N/A honda swap :\

T CUPP

well it is the cx model which weights 2500 tops and i have heard that it makes 220whp. But honda torque is terrible. Friday we will be racing

dcrep06

your right about them not putting out a lot of torque, but your problem is your going to be spinning a lot more than he will from a dig. dont be surprised if he gets u on the dig.

T CUPP

well guys i raced the hatch lastnight. I pulled bus lengths on him from a 55 roll. After i beat him he told me what he had. His mods were a vtec controller set to 3500, crowder cams springs retainers and valves and he was spinning 9k rpms.

dcrep06

haha, i cant stand when people try and lie about their mods and say their **** is bone stock.

T CUPP

yea just tell what you have. Its not like i wont be able to tell after we race. Saturday night my buddy just finished turboing his b16 em1 civic. Him and i decided why not do a friendly race and see actually what the cobalt has. We raced from a 55 roll i pulled a little til he hit 4th gear then it was game over. After we raced he said he was running full e85 which i knew because you could smell it. The guy who tuned it said he should be around 380-400whp so when i get the efr it should be a better race

dcrep06

yea my buddy has a 8th gen civic si with a 6262 set up on his, he rolled out on me when i was bone stock with the GMS1 tune just fooling around, he hasnt wanted to race me since my mods though haha. it would def be close if not a different story now, esp with my torque.

CordiaDOHC

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While Honda 4 cylinders are low on tq. The k series does make more tq than the old b or d series.

Good run though op

Balt_and_Vette

A simple K swap hatchback will out launch a cobalt no problem. Those little cars leave the lights like there rwd haha.