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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 01:46 AM
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Disappointed with track times 2.8" Pulley

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It sucked 2.8" pulley with 1 step colder plugs, bigger idler,RIU tuned Power Pak. I need something to monitor what my car is doing.

my best time was 14.920@ 95.71 w/2.432 60'

The Powerpak is set up for a 2.85" pulley but I have a 2.8" could that be the problem. I bet I am seeing a lot of knock or timing is being retarted a lot in the upper RPM's. I am doing the boost bypass(disconnecting the hose from the manifold to the selonoid and plugging it). It was a disappointing night.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 01:57 AM
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well a better 60' would help alot.. but yea, some sort of monitoring system would help also
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 01:59 AM
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Damn. How much were you spinning?
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 03:32 AM
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That really sucks with you being up in altitude. I'm running about .4 second quicker and the cars stock. Whats the output for the RIU kit? I have the intense kit sitting here next to me.... im hoping it works out better. Keep on trying man....
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 03:55 AM
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I bet I am seeing a lot of knock or timing is being retarted a lot in the upper RPM's. I am doing the boost bypass(disconnecting the hose from the manifold to the selonoid and plugging it). It was a disappointing night.
Have you looked into the possibility that the ECU may not be able to understand why the engine is making so much more boost and is trying to "Save The Engine" even though that is now normal.

This platform really needs as a minimum a piggyback ECU and eventually a full ECU EMS Standalone. They are normally $3000.00 but just with tuning there is More Power and much better reliability. Wait a year and keep badgering the aftermarket GURUS that support you. Someone has to step up and make some basic electronics.

Most engine destructions can be directly linked to a stock ECU making a bad split second desision due to a performance mod that it was never meant to understand, throwing timing way out or cutting spark and fuel under load.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 08:09 AM
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an improved 60' time would help out alot...and if you were spinning alot, then theres most of your porblem...these cars have hit low 14's stock...just takes practice like with anything else
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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^^ Even so though , the MPH is showing something is wrong . Ive had horrible launches with ET's approching high 14's , but I still had good MPH of at least 100 .

What year is your Redline ? FWIW - Intense refunded money to all Redline owners who had a 2004 and purchased their stg 3 kit with a 2.8 . The PCM on the 04's freaked out and had all sorts of problems .
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian MP5T
Have you looked into the possibility that the ECU may not be able to understand why the engine is making so much more boost and is trying to "Save The Engine" even though that is now normal.

This platform really needs as a minimum a piggyback ECU and eventually a full ECU EMS Standalone. They are normally $3000.00 but just with tuning there is More Power and much better reliability. Wait a year and keep badgering the aftermarket GURUS that support you. Someone has to step up and make some basic electronics.

Most engine destructions can be directly linked to a stock ECU making a bad split second desision due to a performance mod that it was never meant to understand, throwing timing way out or cutting spark and fuel under load.

I have a Rev-It-Up Tuned Power-Pak it is a piggy back computer. It doesn't throw any codes. I think the motor just pulling major timing up top or the boost is bleeding off somehow. I have the hose pluged from the manifold to the selonoid.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 03:58 PM
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He has an 04. I don't think it's running right. That is only a .2 gain with a similar speed compared to that one night at Firebird back in December. Stock I ran a 14.739 @ 97.8 mph. I wonder if the 04's fuel curve is to blame. Even that night you had me at the launch, but I pulled on you.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 04:06 PM
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Waste of money imo. Should have just ran the pulley and the tentioner. you woulda done better. Piggy back seem to be tuned off. the difference between a 2.8 and 2.85 would not have your ecm freaking out. Just let the stock computer do its thing your better off.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 04:09 PM
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how is your clutch holding up?
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 03gobluecobra
how is your clutch holding up?
you forgot to qoute or say whos the question directed twards
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 04:13 PM
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just any intake i got 14.3 last night and trapping 100, with my 60 ft lower i will break into 13's soon, with just an intake, maybe some mounts for motor, bout it
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by johnkb8
just any intake i got 14.3 last night and trapping 100, with my 60 ft lower i will break into 13's soon, with just an intake, maybe some mounts for motor, bout it
I'd like to run at your track seems real forgiving
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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The clutch seemed fine. Thats about all I was worried about when I went was the clutch. I can put up a video of me that my wife went in the car with me I hit the rev limit but you can see the clutch isn't slipping.

How would you know if you have spark plug blow by?
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 04:57 PM
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deffinitely learn how to drive your car better...keep practicing
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 05:01 PM
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The driving isn't the problem though...even with a 2.4 60' time I should trap at atleast 100mph.......not 96mph like i did when my car was 100% stock.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MacG321
deffinitely learn how to drive your car better...keep practicing
nah man thats not all his fault. Even when i messed up a launch with a 2.5 60ft my et was a 14.5 but the trap was still in the hundreads. His tune is bad. Like I said pull off the piggy back and let the stock ecu handle things for now. you'll be happier.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 05:05 PM
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yea, i didnt think of that. The trap should deff. be in the 100's. Have you had your car dyno'd or how did you tune it?
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 06:05 PM
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It's the Rev-It-Up tuner box (SMT-6)
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 10:39 PM
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OK I took out and checked my plugs....it was pretty white/tan I think the plugs started to glaze. They were gapped at .36 I cleaned them off because they weren't glazed over completly only been on for like 300miles.

And I regapped them to .28 they are the 1 step colder plugs. I really need to get an intercepter to see what my knock is and boost.
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Old Mar 26, 2006 | 12:13 AM
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You need to move the gap to .045. It sounds like you're too lean, which would make sense if you're trying to run stock injectors with that pulley. Do you scan? Do you know if you're getting KR? Do you know what your O2's are reading(or wideband)? I'd be real anxious to see what your IDC and IPW read.
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Old Mar 26, 2006 | 02:16 AM
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Its been said the 2004's have alot more pcm restrictions than the 05-06's , and do not take to the piggybacks or MafT's as well as the 05-06's . I also read somewhere , somone said they thought the PCM possibly might have torque management the way the car acted . Is there anyway you can go to the dealer and have them flash your PCM with the latest 2006 engine calibration . I dont see why they could not "if" the PCM's are the same .

Just an idea that may work , or at least looking into .
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Old Mar 26, 2006 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bad06SS
You need to move the gap to .045. It sounds like you're too lean, which would make sense if you're trying to run stock injectors with that pulley. Do you scan? Do you know if you're getting KR? Do you know what your O2's are reading(or wideband)? I'd be real anxious to see what your IDC and IPW read.
Dont forget he has a riu kit. Running his gap wider may run him even leaner. I kow on my logs just opening my gap from .030 to .045 made me run leaner on identical settings. Have you tried calling riu?

Dan
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Old Mar 26, 2006 | 09:58 AM
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2.8 W/O bigger injectors = KABOOM!!!!

Guarantee you are running VERY lean!
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