You can pick up a Vette for low $40's hell even in the high 30's for brand new! And they run how good? Its gonna cost you more to get that Cobalt to run as fast and handle as good and LAST as long as a stock Vette.


Sorry for the tangent and jacking the thread.

 

Dude I'm with you there. In my opinion, I think trying to take the cobalt anywhere past stage 2, intake, and exhaust is a waste of time. After that the more you put into it the more problems come up. And no matter what you do you can't shake the fact that it's FWD. But to each his own...I'll be in line right behind you to pick up my Corvette ASAP (which probably won't be for a while). Now there's a platform you can do almost anything with! If I remember correctly wasn't the LS2 designed by God himself?

 

I know of plenty full interior hondas, that ride well, have plenty of style and are fast, you will be the yuppie in the vette geting raged on by 4 cylinders : )

 

Sorry but I doubt that Shortbus. Even IF they might be able to give you a hard time in the mid range the Vette will kill them off the line with its 50-50 weight and the top end the Vette can hit....lets just say I'd rather run 170+ mph in a Corvette then a Civic! And let that yuppie Vette catch that straight line bandit Honda on a twistie road and lets see what happens. The Vettes refined handling or the Hondahs point and shoot style of taking corners. :::shakes head::: Sorry man where it may be true you can build a Honda to run with a Vette in a 1/4 mile the open road is a different story. And a twisty back road is where the Vette would own the Honda.

A Corvette is the total package deal of speed. Great top end, great 1/4 mile times, great handleing, great looks, and its all like that from the factory.

If I'm a yuppie at heart because I think the Vette is a better car then a Honda then call me a yuppie!

 

the 93-95 civic si hatch(1.6 sohc vtec) can run high 9's stock in the 1/8 with a really good driver.

Might want him to pop the hood. He can say stock and it be another honda motor in there that is stock. The hatch is the best canidate for a b series or h series swap. Either of those can get them into the low 9's or 8's on drs.

There is one hatch around here that has a gsr(1.8 dohc vtec) and 10psi that runs 12.4@116 on some dr's. Then another friend of mine has a ls/vtec(non vtec bottom end with a vtec head) on 12psi on dr's that runs 11.9@120.

Be leary of the hatches, they could have anything under the hood. Don't always be fooled by a stock look. There is a guy out there they call crzy frog that has 96+ civic hatch that looks stock and makes some serious power.

 

I can't believe we're even comparing a Corvette to a honda of unspecified make, model, year, and modifications. Come on, the C6 Z06 runs low 11's all day long, high 10's are possible with drags. There is no civic doing that which is still a STREET CAR and not a 1000lb track *****. And we haven't even started talking about handling at all. And ****, that's how it comes stock. Start modding that bitch and the sky is the limit. Those motors can get a ton of HP from something as simple as cams. In R&T the thing ran 2 seconds slower than a Ferrari F430 F1 (1:17 vs. 1:19) and 1 second faster than the new 911 turbo at the Vairano track in Europe. I'm sure that there are a couple of Hondas out there somewhere in the world that are quick on the track especially considering the small motors they use, but be real. It just has too many limitations. RWD>FWD, as far as potential goes bigger motor>smaller motor (you can only put so many turbos and spray on the thing), 50/50 >70/30, etc., etc. And this doesn't even start to hit on the styling, interior, and dependablity.

Driving a Corvette doesn't make you a yuppie, in my case it's going to be because I'm a doctor...in 2 more years.

PS-I can't be a yuppie anyways because I grew up on a dairy farm

 

sorry, i know we're in america and all, but honda's have to be the worlds most reliable engines...

the 1.5L engines are yes, pointless, but they make 30+mpg, and @ $3 a gallon, that helps.

the b16 (DOHC 1.6L) as well as the b18c5 (civic type r) are INCREDIBLY strong and relliable engines, and the K series engines (both k20 and k24) are the new wave of engine management.

honda's are not only drag cars. sorry to dissapoint, but there's more to the automotive competition world than going straight...its about the curves too...which the lightweight honda's also excel at.

i'm not saying that domestic cars are bad, or dont deserve respect, but honda's have proven themselves as a very reliable means of car.

and fwd doesnt rule. Rwd doesn't rule. AWD RULES. period. but from a roll, the fwd of equal power will pull on the awd....but it's all about where the power is at.

plus, being they're considered "econobox" means cheaper insurance.

just saying that a stock b16 would pull most any of the cobalts on this site, and with minor mods, may contend with the SS's. All for THOUSANDS less $$$...

*get off soapbox*

 

I like ALL cars of all types. I have respect for enthusiasts.....oh...by the way...Del Sol's roxxors!

 

phyber, nice to see another inc member pop up on here. Another perspective is always respected, just keep it civil.

One little arguement with your statement. Yes, the 1.5 engine can get over 30 mpg, but so can the engines in (all versions) the cobalts, impala/monte carlo, and even the corvette is rated at 27 mpg for the regular version, and 26 mpg for the z06.

 

The only reason people rag on hondas is because of that damn fast and the furious movie. It gave anyone with a compact car the vision of speed in their head. They think they can get a primered body kit, wing, and a big ass muffler and be the ****.

People rag on honda because it was the most common car to do that. Not, you got EVERYONE in ANY car doing this bullshit and you even get it in the all mighty cobalt as well.

The slow hondas that pretend to be fast...... its not the cars fault, its the idiot driver who thinks he is making his car cooler. There are the quic hondas that are great cars, same with domestic. but you can never forget the wide range of idiots that make the rest of the cars look bad and make it harder for the actual car enthusiests out there.

 

a well built boosted anything will rape just about anything. hondas are just cheap so people buy shitty ass little hatch hondas for really cheap, dump all their money into internals and shitty forced induction setups and run 11's for about a month, then their turbo setup craps out. or they actually get a decent turbo setup to begin with and it is still an 11 second **** heap. with the amount of money the put into these honda's you could make anything just as fast, they are just VERY cheap to get originally, and fairly light. most of these guys with 10 second "street" honda's have fully forged internals and there is nothing "street" about them. dr's, no interior at all, and a cage. you ever seen the fast ford probes? oh yes they exist because they are cheap project cars to get. do they get any respect? no because they need tons of work to be decently fast....just like a honda.

yes there are some well built honda's and for the most part they are a respectable company, but the whole group of people that have bought into that rediculous ricer trend....90% of them drive honda's so a majority of the fast honda's look HORRIBLE and are not going to last very long because they are built horribly.

actually in the end....rwd does rule. in everything. if it is properly done rwd>awd>fwd. the only exception is in rally. Anything that is light, cheap, and has a decent engine is good for modding. That's why the foxbody mustang is also so popular in the aftermarket. The reason people hate on honda's most of the time is because alot of these guys have turbo crx's with ******* rust coming up the doors and one seat in the interior. like i said in my previous post, there are some well built honda's and they do have potential, but a majority of the modded honda's around are totally rediculous with their huge wings and whatnot and the 6" muffler tips. It's the people that ruined honda's reputation among many car enthusiasts, not actual honda's.

 

Sorry to bring up and old thread, but I had to reply to this statement. In theory what you say is true yes. However Honda refuses to put RWD in Acura and even ditched plans on a V8. Yes they make reliable engines, but they produce very little torque at low speeds which means you end up using more gas then most other cars to get them off the line. Not a good idea for city driving and if Honda wants Acura to be a real contender in the luxury market, it needs something besides awd sixes and four-bangers. BTW nice hatch, the older models look FAR better than the new coupes.

 

My winter beater is a stock 90 Si hatch 106hp, I ran it just for the hell of it and the car ran a 16.27@84.8 and a 16.28@85.3 the 1/8 mile was 10.5sec on both runs, so in order to run a 9.9 it would have to go 15.6-15.7 in the 1/4, and that is not happening.