Took the SRT4 to the Track Wow i Suck!
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Originally Posted by pkskull77
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Would it be fair to call you a very experienced drag racer? If so, I think it weakens your argument that it's a driver’s race between the SRT-4 and the SS. Yes technically the driver could make the difference between the winner and loser, but generally speaking a "drivers race" means two drivers of similar competency going at it, always being decided by the driver who had the better run. Not necessarily a very experienced driver vs. some young kid who goes from light to light on occasion, because the experienced driver is always going to have the better run.
Within your definition of drivers race, you could make the claim that it’s a drivers race between the SS and several cars that the SS really doesn’t stand a chance against. In other words, I’ve seen people in Vetts who were inexperienced drivers make passes in the 15.00’s. Clearly you’re not going to make the assertion that a race between the SS and a Vet is a driver’s race?
All of racing is going to be tempered by the skill of the driver behind the wheel. For someone who doesn’t know how to drive their Lotus, it would be very easy for a good Auto X driver to beat them around the course in a Mini Cooper. Knowing this is possible would you consider the competition a driver’s race?
As in all of reality, everything is relative to the situation. It truly is unfair for you to consider it a driver’s race when it appears that you have superior drag racing skills, to the people your beating. If you were driving their SRT-4’s and they your SS, would it be fair to say you would beat them by a greater margin than if the cars were reversed?
Would it be fair to call you a very experienced drag racer? If so, I think it weakens your argument that it's a driver’s race between the SRT-4 and the SS. Yes technically the driver could make the difference between the winner and loser, but generally speaking a "drivers race" means two drivers of similar competency going at it, always being decided by the driver who had the better run. Not necessarily a very experienced driver vs. some young kid who goes from light to light on occasion, because the experienced driver is always going to have the better run.
Within your definition of drivers race, you could make the claim that it’s a drivers race between the SS and several cars that the SS really doesn’t stand a chance against. In other words, I’ve seen people in Vetts who were inexperienced drivers make passes in the 15.00’s. Clearly you’re not going to make the assertion that a race between the SS and a Vet is a driver’s race?
All of racing is going to be tempered by the skill of the driver behind the wheel. For someone who doesn’t know how to drive their Lotus, it would be very easy for a good Auto X driver to beat them around the course in a Mini Cooper. Knowing this is possible would you consider the competition a driver’s race?
As in all of reality, everything is relative to the situation. It truly is unfair for you to consider it a driver’s race when it appears that you have superior drag racing skills, to the people your beating. If you were driving their SRT-4’s and they your SS, would it be fair to say you would beat them by a greater margin than if the cars were reversed?
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Go to the video link of my local 1/4 I posted in the lounge.
Count how many SRT-4's you see, also keep track of there times. Did you see any 13's? I also frequent the track in Kearny, NE and Thunder Valley in Marion, SD and have yet to see a 13 second stock SRT-4. So does that mean all 20 of them have terrible drivers?
Anyone who says traction doesn't win races shouldn't be questioning any of my posts. It can easily make or break any race. Up until last month I was running BFGoodrich KDWS tires on my Camaro so I know how much traction matters.
The more you learn using tires that slip the better you'll be with tires that grip.
Count how many SRT-4's you see, also keep track of there times. Did you see any 13's? I also frequent the track in Kearny, NE and Thunder Valley in Marion, SD and have yet to see a 13 second stock SRT-4. So does that mean all 20 of them have terrible drivers?
Anyone who says traction doesn't win races shouldn't be questioning any of my posts. It can easily make or break any race. Up until last month I was running BFGoodrich KDWS tires on my Camaro so I know how much traction matters.
The more you learn using tires that slip the better you'll be with tires that grip.
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Originally Posted by codyss
Go to the video link of my local 1/4 I posted in the lounge.
Count how many SRT-4's you see, also keep track of there times. Did you see any 13's? I also frequent the track in Kearny, NE and Thunder Valley in Marion, SD and have yet to see a 13 second stock SRT-4. So does that mean all 20 of them have terrible drivers?
Anyone who says traction doesn't win races shouldn't be questioning any of my posts. It can easily make or break any race. Up until last month I was running BFGoodrich KDWS tires on my Camaro so I know how much traction matters.
The more you learn using tires that slip the better you'll be with tires that grip.
Count how many SRT-4's you see, also keep track of there times. Did you see any 13's? I also frequent the track in Kearny, NE and Thunder Valley in Marion, SD and have yet to see a 13 second stock SRT-4. So does that mean all 20 of them have terrible drivers?
Anyone who says traction doesn't win races shouldn't be questioning any of my posts. It can easily make or break any race. Up until last month I was running BFGoodrich KDWS tires on my Camaro so I know how much traction matters.
The more you learn using tires that slip the better you'll be with tires that grip.
Oh and one more time:
CODYSS TAKE YOUR COBALT TO THE TRACK
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Originally Posted by codyss
Well I know if all things were 100% equal the SRT-4 has the advantage. But not enough to make up for things like shifting to late/soon or traction. A race between these two cars could come down to traction anytime.
As for my driving, I would consider myself better than most people I run into on the street. I have frequented the track in my Mustangs and F-Bodies for quite awhile. And also have at least 6 sub 11 second passes under my belt in one of our project cars.
Racing 14 second cars is no big deal to me at all.
As for my driving, I would consider myself better than most people I run into on the street. I have frequented the track in my Mustangs and F-Bodies for quite awhile. And also have at least 6 sub 11 second passes under my belt in one of our project cars.
Racing 14 second cars is no big deal to me at all.
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--Stock vs Stock a properly driven Cobalt SS will beat a SRT-4 in every category, Period.
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They(SRT-4's) don't ever really pull nor do they run 13's stock.
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When my car had 900miles on it yes a SRT-4 would have done me in with ease. But with 2100miles on the ticker there is no way in hell a SRT-4 will hand me my ass.
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Well I have a SS/SC and two of my friends have SRT-4's. 0-60, 1/4 mile for the two cars are equal. Before my car had some miles on it the SRT-4's could take me right around 80mph. Now with 2200miles I can easily pull on them in the 80mph plus zone.
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Still though the SRT-4 = 13 second car is a pure myth.
When you can run 13's everytime unless a serious problem occurs that is a 13 second car.
I don't even refer to my Camaro SS as a 12 second car, it is a Camaro that runs 13's with a best of 12.??.
When you can run 13's everytime unless a serious problem occurs that is a 13 second car.
I don't even refer to my Camaro SS as a 12 second car, it is a Camaro that runs 13's with a best of 12.??.
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I would have to agree with Codyss. I have seen 5, seperate stock SRT4's running at Da Grove and have yet to see one post better then a 14.4! Not to say there no stock 13 second SRT4's. They're not as common as SRT4 guys make it out to be. You can say all you want about looking on SRT4 forums, I want proof of this at the track. Posted slips are easy enough to lie about also.
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Ok... here is a video of a lot of different Srt's at a lot of different stages of modifications....
It is my car club... basically this is how it breaks down
14.3+ runs were people that hadn't ever been to the track before.
13.8-14.29's were cars that were stock or very lightly modded... things like UPP w/bovs or the Mopar Bov
Mid 13's- low 13's were stage 2 cars (except for the 12.61 red srt, he is Stage 2 and a hell of a driver)
lower then 13's were stage 3 cars or turbo swapped cars
from what i remember of this day... traction was so-so... sometimes you hooked up.. sometimes you didn't... and the main problem is that some people had slicks on that day... so they would burn out.. and drag water into the lanes... and then the next few people would just spin thru first and second.
www.cscvidz.com/videos/CSCvsCMC.zip
enjoy
It is my car club... basically this is how it breaks down
14.3+ runs were people that hadn't ever been to the track before.
13.8-14.29's were cars that were stock or very lightly modded... things like UPP w/bovs or the Mopar Bov
Mid 13's- low 13's were stage 2 cars (except for the 12.61 red srt, he is Stage 2 and a hell of a driver)
lower then 13's were stage 3 cars or turbo swapped cars
from what i remember of this day... traction was so-so... sometimes you hooked up.. sometimes you didn't... and the main problem is that some people had slicks on that day... so they would burn out.. and drag water into the lanes... and then the next few people would just spin thru first and second.
www.cscvidz.com/videos/CSCvsCMC.zip
enjoy
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I haven't taken my Cobalt to the track because you have to drive on 2 miles of gravel to get there, my car hasn't even seen rain yet.
That and I am waiting to get my hands on a second set of wheels so i can mount some DR on them. I don't feel the need to run 14.5's all day long with 2.5+ 60ft times.
That and I am waiting to get my hands on a second set of wheels so i can mount some DR on them. I don't feel the need to run 14.5's all day long with 2.5+ 60ft times.
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Originally Posted by codyss
I haven't taken my Cobalt to the track because you have to drive on 2 miles of gravel to get there, my car hasn't even seen rain yet.
That and I am waiting to get my hands on a second set of wheels so i can mount some DR on them. I don't feel the need to run 14.5's all day long with 2.5+ 60ft times.
That and I am waiting to get my hands on a second set of wheels so i can mount some DR on them. I don't feel the need to run 14.5's all day long with 2.5+ 60ft times.
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Originally Posted by codyss
Still though the SRT-4 = 13 second car is a pure myth.
When you can run 13's everytime unless a serious problem occurs that is a 13 second car.
When you can run 13's everytime unless a serious problem occurs that is a 13 second car.
Here's the best three from my first 13 second run, I probably would have backed it up that night if I'd had a helmet with me.
Further, here is a list of drivers on SRTForums that have hit 13's with stock SRT-4's, there's actually more, but most of them have since modified their cars and gone faster, updating their profile on SRTForums:
CorradoKid
Black 2004
Turbo4Life
ChipMunk
awa16988
dipstickinva
lemlroy
lwp
jaybone
EVERY SRT-4 (barring a factory lemon) IS CAPABLE OF A HIGH 13 SECOND 1/4 MILE... It just needs a driver that knows how to drive it.,
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Originally Posted by codyss
I haven't taken my Cobalt to the track because you have to drive on 2 miles of gravel to get there, my car hasn't even seen rain yet.
That and I am waiting to get my hands on a second set of wheels so i can mount some DR on them. I don't feel the need to run 14.5's all day long with 2.5+ 60ft times.
That and I am waiting to get my hands on a second set of wheels so i can mount some DR on them. I don't feel the need to run 14.5's all day long with 2.5+ 60ft times.
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Originally Posted by codyss
I haven't taken my Cobalt to the track because you have to drive on 2 miles of gravel to get there, my car hasn't even seen rain yet.
That and I am waiting to get my hands on a second set of wheels so i can mount some DR on them. I don't feel the need to run 14.5's all day long with 2.5+ 60ft times.
That and I am waiting to get my hands on a second set of wheels so i can mount some DR on them. I don't feel the need to run 14.5's all day long with 2.5+ 60ft times.
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Originally Posted by NGASales
Not to be blunt or anyhting but it is a Cobalt, not some 80,000 dollar car. Take it to the track and lets see some times. You also said you go to 2 tracks do they both have 2 miles of gravel to enter?
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Don't laugh but I live in Nebraska both tracks have gravel entrances.
And I could care less if my car was $80,000 or $8,000.
All I was saying Mchat was that not every pass a SRT-4 makes will be a 13 second one, it's kind of like 12 second stock LS1 F-Bodies.
Is it really worth beating the **** out of a car making run after run just to hit 13's?
I really think a Cobalt SS will dip into the 13's with DR and a good driver.
And I could care less if my car was $80,000 or $8,000.
All I was saying Mchat was that not every pass a SRT-4 makes will be a 13 second one, it's kind of like 12 second stock LS1 F-Bodies.
Is it really worth beating the **** out of a car making run after run just to hit 13's?
I really think a Cobalt SS will dip into the 13's with DR and a good driver.
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Originally Posted by codyss
Don't laugh but I live in Nebraska both tracks have gravel entrances.
And I could care less if my car was $80,000 or $8,000.
All I was saying Mchat was that not every pass a SRT-4 makes will be a 13 second one, it's kind of like 12 second stock LS1 F-Bodies.
Is it really worth beating the **** out of a car making run after run just to hit 13's?
I really think a Cobalt SS will dip into the 13's with DR and a good driver.
And I could care less if my car was $80,000 or $8,000.
All I was saying Mchat was that not every pass a SRT-4 makes will be a 13 second one, it's kind of like 12 second stock LS1 F-Bodies.
Is it really worth beating the **** out of a car making run after run just to hit 13's?
I really think a Cobalt SS will dip into the 13's with DR and a good driver.
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Look at a Cobalt SS time slip, do you understand the numbers?
By the 60ft times it's obvious that there is severe wheelspin, now look at the different 330ft times. That will also show you that the second gear shift also has some decent wheel spin.
Most could easily drop .2 - .4 off there 60ft alone.
But I don't expect everyone here to understand how E.T. at the 1/4 works.
By the 60ft times it's obvious that there is severe wheelspin, now look at the different 330ft times. That will also show you that the second gear shift also has some decent wheel spin.
Most could easily drop .2 - .4 off there 60ft alone.
But I don't expect everyone here to understand how E.T. at the 1/4 works.
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Originally Posted by codyss
Look at a Cobalt SS time slip, do you understand the numbers?
By the 60ft times it's obvious that there is severe wheelspin, now look at the different 330ft times. That will also show you that the second gear shift also has some decent wheel spin.
Most could easily drop .2 - .4 off there 60ft alone.
But I don't expect everyone here to understand how E.T. at the 1/4 works.
By the 60ft times it's obvious that there is severe wheelspin, now look at the different 330ft times. That will also show you that the second gear shift also has some decent wheel spin.
Most could easily drop .2 - .4 off there 60ft alone.
But I don't expect everyone here to understand how E.T. at the 1/4 works.
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Originally Posted by codyss
Look at a Cobalt SS time slip, do you understand the numbers?
By the 60ft times it's obvious that there is severe wheelspin, now look at the different 330ft times. That will also show you that the second gear shift also has some decent wheel spin.
Most could easily drop .2 - .4 off there 60ft alone.
But I don't expect everyone here to understand how E.T. at the 1/4 works.
By the 60ft times it's obvious that there is severe wheelspin, now look at the different 330ft times. That will also show you that the second gear shift also has some decent wheel spin.
Most could easily drop .2 - .4 off there 60ft alone.
But I don't expect everyone here to understand how E.T. at the 1/4 works.
One thing to keep in mind, the quicker you get to the 60', the faster the car is moving at the 60'. Instead of doing 30mph at the 60' you could be doing 40 or 45mph, that, in turn, makes the entire 1/4 mile quicker, and by more than just the time improved on the 60'.
Same thing with the 330'. Essentially, the 60' will tell you how well you hooked up in 1st, and the 330' will tell you how well you hooked up in 2nd. I would expect a Cobalt SS/SC to be capable of running a sub 6.0 330' (w/ a 2.0 60'). When that happens, the car should turn a low, low 14 sec 1/4 mile. With an even better 60' (1.9?) and 330' (5.8?) (probably need Drag Radials) it should be able to turn a high 13 on a 100% stock engine. Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by co-yellow-balt
im totally agreeing with codyss. i think with a good drive a cobalt ss vs a srt4 stock, the cobalt could take it. ive raced this kid on my hwy with a stock srt4 in my cobalt LS with intake and i beat him from 30mph to about 75-80mph. so u guys are acting like the god damn srt4 is unbeatable. stop being biased about your god damn cars. i mean i like srt4's but not when people who own them come into our cobalt sites and talk mad ****. who cares...if ur gunna be here, play it cool. i mean its not like we have kids in your srt4 rooms with cobalts talking ****.
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Originally Posted by 03EBZ06
Couple of weeks ago, I got lined up with Cobalt SS at Gateway International Raceway. The CSS ran 14.5 (I forgot mph) 1/4 mile, not too bad of run.
