umm..dont accuse me of what YOU were doing.

Fact is, the average SS/SC stock time is a low15/high 14. 99-04 GT is mid-low 14, and the 05+ GT is low14/veryhigh 13.....all on average.

Hero passes dont count, and are misleading.

 

thats all well and good, but your initial comment was about S2 vs 99-04 gt.
not stock.

S2 on average, trap higher, than 99-04gts

 

I ran 7 passes when I bought my 07 GT, started at 14.20. Every consecutive pass went down .10-.15. My last run of that day was 13.56@101.9. The car was 100% stock down to tire pressure and paper air filter on 87 octane fuel.

I brought the car back to the track a few days ago,full bolt on and Nitto 555r's, only made 2 runs, best was 13.66@103.8 with 2.201 60'. It was 88 degrees and humid and track prep was nonexistant.

A stock 05+ GT is a easy mid 13 car stock with a halfway decent driver on a decent track.

Forced induction FWD's are tricky to launch, so I can't see the average modded one going much deeper than low 13's high 12's without getting some major traction mods. That's when things start breaking.

The guy's in this section actually seem to know what they're talking about compared to the War Stories section where a Cobalt has never lost a race.

 

pretty much bang on.

mid 13s is where the line is drawn in the sand.

usually beyond that, your going to start spending big money for every 10th.

 

You and I both know trap is subjective and not the best barometer.

a boosted car making similar power almost always traps higher than a N/A car, but not neccesarilly be any faster.


Really?

I went 8.66 (translates out to ~13.5) with a gear and slicks. I then spent another 350$ and went 7.9's (trasnlates to 12.3-12.4)

Id say i got a few tenths with not a lot of money

 

I meant with respect to the cobalt....not all cars

 

You cant blame the track....even if they didnt slop down VHT that day, im sure other cars were there pulling good 60 foots.

Plus you added drag radials over street tires....

There is no way you drove stock tires to a 13.5 and then drove like a dipshit to a 13.6 on drag radials.

 

Haha. No, I'm not saying that they didn't put down VHT, I'm saying that I went into the bleachbox to get the tires clean, and by the time I pulled to the line I actually had more gravel and sand on my tires than before. Everyone was running .5 to 1 second off their regular times.
Ex: 2003 Cobra and 2001 Lightning both running KB 2.6's both running 12.5's.
LS1 WS6 T/A running 14.0x,
LS2 GTOs (2) 13.1X and 13.5x,
LS1 C5 vette 13.7 and a 14.
So it wasn't totally me.

My 2.2 60 foot was with the traction control on, other run was 13.88@104.4 with 2.522 60!

I could have gotten better than both of those runs, but didn't see the point when the track was in such shitty shape.

Also, both runs were in 3rd gear bouncing off the limiter through the traps. I'm waiting for my k-member brace with torque limiters to get here. On S197's the tranny torques over with the engine and at high rpms the remote shifter linkage will bind up. When I switched to my Hurst short throw it cured the problem on the 2-3 shift, but now the problem happens on 3-4. On stock tires (27 inch)with 3.55 gears going through the traps in 3rd isn't a problem. Drag's were 25.5 in.

You obviously don't know a lot about the newer Mustangs.

 

sand and gravel in the waterbox? Are you kidding me?

You obviously dont know alot about any damn thing.

We have one of the most back country, redneck run tracks in the country im sure and there are always idiots like you bitching about the track not hooking and you can only manage 2.2+ 60 foots.....right about the time a competant driver pulls up to the line and knocks off a 1.6 or better 60.

You cant blame the track, its the oldest noob excuse in the book.

 

DAMN! bolognapony getting old skewl!

 

Ive personally been to the track several times when people are complaining about the "track isnt prepped" and "the track wont hook" blah blah blah...

and the same night i pull 1.6-1.8 60's every pass and others are doing wheelstands.

Everyone wants to blame the track...when in reality, you should be looking at your setup or your driving.

 

No you silly kid. You see after the waterbox you actually have to drive to the line, there was more sand and gravel there than what i had on from the pits.

But you're right I blew a 2.522 60 because I can't drive, nothing to do with the track at all. Spinning through 1st and second on DRs. lol.

I bow to your mighty racing knowledge, trolling here to get a race against a Cobalt with your awesome 14 second New Edge.

 

while I can agree with you mostly, there are still some horribly prepped tracks. I know the 1/8th mile right by my house is made righ over the top of a river bed. So when it rains and stuff like the day of the race or all week, then the track is pure **** on friday nights.

Although, I was still able to hook pretty well on my Mickey's. I can't really complain when I can launch over 5Krpms and not spin. LOL.

 

yeah gonna have to agree there.
your way off on that one bologna,
Ive had no problem getting 2.1 60s on street tires consistantly,
but occasionally the track will not let me get below 2.3

you cant always blame the track, but you sure as hell can sometimes.

 

You drive 5-8 feet to the line, where there are always people standing with brooms and mops to remove any dirt/sediment/rocks from the area.

You are full of crap and you know it.

And btw i run quite a bit faster than your pitiful 13.6, and i dont bitch and moan about track conditions.


Anytime you get ready to bitch about the track, look around and make sure that someone isnt actually getting decent 60s out of it.

It probably has more to do with the weather conditions, than the tracks prep. Such as the time thats passed since someone else ran in that lane..the heat in the track from the sun, etc.

 

^Same time as PimpLay2's SS/T (he got a 14.28).

Stage 2's FTW!

 

The cobalt ss strong point are racing from a roll, which is where most people race from, once the tricky launch is taken out of the factor the balts have great top end power and great traps.

 

translaiton= Once you take all the parts of drag racing that require talent, out of the equation, the car runs ok.

 

^ lives his life a 1/4 mile at a time.

 

lol, true statement.

rolls are for a bakery. lol.

 

its easy to say when you dont drive one.

 

I used to drive FWDs....granted not with a lot of power.

I know its a lot more to tangle with...

Part of the reason i wanted a RWD was the launching ability.

I run 1.6 60's with a totally factory suspension and factory rearend/axles on too-tall slicks.

Though some people have broke doing less, so i must be one of the lucky ones.

 

Im tiring of the FWD at the track, ill never buy another one.
so i went and bought an 86 fiero GT.
hunting for a 3.8 S/C gtp engine to drop in over the winter

 

cool.

Ive always liked swapped fieros but you see less and less of them as they get older.

I'd like a Fiero with a Quad 4 LG0 Turbo and getrag 5speed

 

you and me both