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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 08:43 PM
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Axle braking point

I was woundering how much power can our stock axles handle before braking. And if slicks or drag radials at the track would brake them. If any one has any info on this please tell. Thanks
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 08:50 PM
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they can handle 4
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by zinner
they can handle 4

4 what??
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by D4u2s0t
4 what??
Maybe he was about to finish his message when a masked serial killer snuck up behind him anddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 09:09 PM
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axles don't break due to power, they break from the shock of a launch. many cars, just adding some drag tires and some traction compound can be enough, esp when front drive cars are not as strong as rear drive ones.

you could probably have 500 ft/lbs and never have an issue, but one good launch would kill you.

in other words, if you're going to seriously drag the car, upgrade the axles and joints. that way the diff will just break, lol
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 09:53 PM
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275 whp and drag radials is enough power to break the axles.
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 01:46 PM
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has any one broke their axles yet? Do any companies make upgraded axles for our cars yet?
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 01:50 PM
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Yes but they are expensive as hell
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 01:52 PM
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drive shaft shop... $799 to preorder on ebay... ouch
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 02:07 PM
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www.intense-racing.com will be selling a set shortly. I think they said $799 for the set.
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 02:11 PM
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oh wow.....thats alot of money for axles! They better be indestructable!
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by srt-killer
oh wow.....thats alot of money for axles! They better be indestructable!
I think Intense said their axles are good for up to 400 hp.
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 02:16 PM
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Thats not bad....but for $800....ouch. I guess we will just have to wait and see how they hold up, exspecialy with slicks.
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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So axle breaks occur when wheel hop does?
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 03:30 PM
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that's a big cause of axles breaking for sure, and BAD BAD BAD on the whole drivetrain...
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 04:54 PM
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So axle breaks occur when wheel hop does?
basically... wheel hop is caused by one of two things.

one. the car is so powerful that the wheel shoots itself upwards as that has less resistance than forward.

two. the engine twists so hard when launching that it actually changes the angle of the tranny for a second and then it slams back down just to happen again.

basically, when either or both of these happen, the whole system is taking a series of shocks that are really not what they are designed for. stronger axles help... but all that does is place the shock somewhere else. thats why those nutjobs that drag elipse GSXs often have one or two spare trannys just laying around.
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 06:15 PM
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would you have a greater or less chance of braking your axles if you have an LSD?
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 06:17 PM
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yeah i hav already snaped a axle and it was under stock power it suck kuze i new stock axle costs $310 so yeah i learned my lessen real quick about launchig with mad wheel hop
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by srt-killer
would you have a greater or less chance of braking your axles if you have an LSD?
Youd have the same chance as someone without .
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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Did you have slicks or DR.......Did the dealer cover it under warrenty?
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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The driveshaft ones are only good to 400hp which means if you plan on going past this you need point (as I am) then you need stronger driveshafts. I had started a thread on those but I will just move it here

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I just got off the phone with the Driveshaft Shop about getting even stronger halfshafts than the 400hp version that they currently have available for our cars. For the few crazy people who intend to really push their cars by going past 400hp and running either drag radials or some slicks they do have an alternative. The concern has been the ABS system not fitting once the shafts were enlarged. I will be sending them my hubs so they can be reworked to matchup with the stronger shafts meaning I wont have to change the hubs and end up with a different bolt pattern on the front.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverSS/SC
Youd have the same chance as someone without .

i don't entirely agree... the axle itself, you'd be no more or less likely, but the diff, would be more likely without, and here's why...

people would think that the diff would take more of a shock with an LSD, but what happens is that when one wheel's speed GREATLY exceeds the other, it chews up the insides. this would be most likely in the event of EXCESSIVE wheel spin of one wheel, which can happen with a bad launch
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by joeworkstoohard
i don't entirely agree... the axle itself, you'd be no more or less likely, but the diff, would be more likely without, and here's why...

people would think that the diff would take more of a shock with an LSD, but what happens is that when one wheel's speed GREATLY exceeds the other, it chews up the insides. this would be most likely in the event of EXCESSIVE wheel spin of one wheel, which can happen with a bad launch
The way I read the following article disagrees with the above statement. The article is straight off of Quaife America's website.


The Quaife torque biasing differential enables your car to accelerate quicker and corner faster. How?

By getting the power to the ground!

The Quaife Differential powers both drive wheels under nearly all conditions, instead of just one. With an ordinary open differential, standard on most cars, a lot of precious power is wasted during wheelspin under acceleration. This happens because the open differential shifts power to the wheel with less grip (along the path of least resistance). The Quaife, however, does just the opposite. It senses which wheel has the better grip, and biases the power to that wheel. It does this smoothly and constantly, and without ever completely removing power from the other wheel.

In drag-race style, straight-line acceleration runs, this results in a close to ideal 50/50 power split to both drive wheels, resulting in essentially twice the grip of an ordinary differential (they don't call open diffs "peglegs" for nothing).

In cornering, while accelerating out of a turn, the Quaife biases power to the outside wheel, reducing inside-wheel spin. This allows the driver to begin accelerating earlier, exiting the corner at a higher speed.

The Quaife also controls loss of traction when the front wheels are on slippery surfaces such as ice and snow or mud, providing the appropriate biased traction needed to overcome these adverse conditions. The Quaife Differential provides constant and infinitely variable drive. Power is transferred automatically without the use of normal friction pads or plates seen in other limited-slip designs.

The Quaife's unique design offers maximum traction, improves handling and steering, and puts the power where it is needed most. A definite advantage whether on the track or on the street.

The Quaife is extremely strong and durable and since the Quaife is gear operated, it has no plates or clutches that can wear out and need costly replacement.

The Quaife is great for street driving or racing. Racers don't have to put up with locking mechanisms or spools that created unwanted understeer under power, or in the case of front-drive cars, even tear the steering wheel out of their hands when cornering. Because it behaves like an open differential during ordinary driving, street drivers will have trouble telling it's there until pushing the car's limits.

The Quaife has been proven in everything from SCCA Rally to Formula 1. It provides autocrossers with such an advantage, it has become "required" equipment for a winning effort.

More and more auto manufacturers are specifying the Quaife ATB Differential as original equipment in their high performance models - for good reason - it works!

The Quaife ATB Differential comes with something else other's don't have:
a Limited Lifetime Warranty. This warranty applies even when raced ! >details


Go to Quaife Differential Application List, with the newest applications!

Copyright © 2004 Quaife America. All rights reserved
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 06:20 AM
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you break an axle at any point regaurdless...if you have stage 2 and a clutch and your launghin hard and burnin out you can snap an axle somewhere down the road...and you cant just say 300whp or 500lb tq..once you put some slick and get grab you risk 300ish maybe 350whp...the only way to find out is build the engine and make your 400 or 500 and see....but even 350whp will be hard to get without a full build and high boost.......TURBO

the new the saturn sky is 260hp with the 2.0 TURBO so shows u more power from turbo good luck
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by cavy9psi
....but even 350whp will be hard to get without a full build and high boost.......TURBO
So how about with a supercharger and a high boost turbo????
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