LNF or Turbo 2.4L
with full bolt ons and tune, what would be the fastest? would i have to build the le5 internals or is stock good to handle up to 25 psi? what would take more money to build up, i already have the 2.4l so thats where i would save the money right off the bat, rather than sell it and buy a LNF. this is so i dont go and spend money on exhaust and shit then end up selling it all and losing money
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I believe you would need pistons to sustain that on an LE5, IDK about the bottom end though. The LNF has the oil squirters on the pistons for the boostage heat and we still cook pistonies at high boost & IAT2's. The bottom end has held 500+ HP ala ZZP.
Edit... An LNF swap would be a nightmare with the different ECM/BCM combo than you have. Build up yours even if it can't get to 25 psi. |
i wouldnt lnf swap, just buy the car............ bumpage
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buy an lnf...... to substain boost levels like that in the 2.4 you need internals, intake manifold, probablly some head work, good tune, and all the extras....
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i should say if its going to cost an extra grand to beef up the internals on the 2.4L and in the end it will be faster, i will do that. only if its going to be like 2-4k more then i will just buy an lnf
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id say do the 2.4..my 2.2 would whoop on 95% of the lnfs and i have like 12k into my car including the car and ALL mods
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Honestly, it's a judgement call. You do get some upgrades going with the LNF, but you're going to take a pounding on resale value on your car. I'd say work with what you have if you're happy with the car.
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i could just drive the car until it dies
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If you have the ability to turbo a car, do it? What reason would you not?
Like people said, work with what you have and end up with a unique ride. myself, even though I have a garage and tools... couldnt deal with turboing a non turbo car. This is why I sold my 2004 Civic SI and got an LNF. Boosting a car not designed for boost takes a decent bit of time and effort. In my case I cant even afford to be without a vehicle for more than a day. Your call though, I like boosted 2.4's.. remind me of a SRT-4 XD |
thanks for all the input guys, but no one has told me what is faster in the end
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because it all depends on how deep your pockets are and if you on the k04 or big turbo at 25psi. the lnf will have stupid fast spool and is a better all around car. it has better trans, suspension, engine and will hold its own unless you drive like shit
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Keep us updated on what u do, I plan on turboing my 2.4 one of these days, thought about the lnf but the 2.4 would be original
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wait why do you want to have 25 psi on a 2.4? i can tell you off the bat a 25 psi 2.4 will be faster then a stock turboed lnf assuming you pick a smart turbo..
shit to reach stock turboed/ bolt on / tune numbers for a 2.4 youd probably only need a proper sized turbo and 15 psi and if you have a 06-07 then you'd be fine on stock long as you have a good tune personally i'd rather bigger displacement, standard port injection and vvt instead of DI smaller displacement and vvt lol might you have to build the engine.. if you're looking for over 400 whp on a 06-07 2.4 yea. but shit i'd probably still build an lnf if i was looking for those numbers just to be safe |
A local member has a turbo 2.4 with the zzp kit and air to water cooler setup. It is stock besides the turbo and clutch. I think he is on 11-12psi. He is running the stock catback and the turbo is recirculated so you cant hear it. I was say it is as quiet as a Prius. We raced last week and he was 1-2 cars behind me. I think I pulled on him as the start and he held it there. He also didnt brake boost.
He could be faster if he ditched the stock carback and got an air to air fmic. |
Originally Posted by whyyoumadson?
(Post 5667839)
because it all depends on how deep your pockets are and if you on the k04 or big turbo at 25psi. the lnf will have stupid fast spool and is a better all around car. it has better trans, suspension, engine and will hold its own unless you drive like shit
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Originally Posted by stonny9
(Post 5668230)
A local member has a turbo 2.4 with the zzp kit and air to water cooler setup. It is stock besides the turbo and clutch. I think he is on 11-12psi. He is running the stock catback and the turbo is recirculated so you cant hear it. I was say it is as quiet as a Prius. We raced last week and he was 1-2 cars behind me. I think I pulled on him as the start and he held it there. He also didnt brake boost.
He could be faster if he ditched the stock carback and got an air to air fmic. 11-12 psi on that setup should net close to 300 whp maybe more unless you have nitrous or something lol |
my power goals are right under where ill have to build the engine or tranny, so if its at 400, then 350 is my goal. run whatever i can to get that number
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Your dumb if you think it would only take a grand to build your internals. And an lnf on a good byt tune and e-85 would still probably smoke you, with you on 25 psi if you built your motor. Do some more research imo
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Originally Posted by terry11
(Post 5719698)
Your dumb if you think it would only take a grand to build your internals. And an lnf on a good byt tune and e-85 would still probably smoke you, with you on 25 psi if you built your motor. Do some more research imo
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Originally Posted by stonny9
(Post 5668230)
A local member has a turbo 2.4 with the zzp kit and air to water cooler setup. It is stock besides the turbo and clutch. I think he is on 11-12psi. He is running the stock catback and the turbo is recirculated so you cant hear it. I was say it is as quiet as a Prius. We raced last week and he was 1-2 cars behind me. I think I pulled on him as the start and he held it there. He also didnt brake boost.
He could be faster if he ditched the stock carback and got an air to air fmic. if you can afford a SS/TC I don't see why you wouldn't do it but thats a hell of alot more investment than a turbo build on your current car. |
turbo the 2.4... i had one and i loved it
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stick with your current car based on your background story. Start with a small turbo build and see how that feels. I can tell you your gonna spend alot of money to get 25psi on that 2.4L... And it sounds like you can afford to not have your car for a day so when shit hits the fan when you try the 25psi thing.... thats not gonna be good.
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zzp's blocks arent super expensive 4600 or so to have it shipped for a built bottom end that can take 1k engine hp is a pretty awesome ass deal.. make it 6-7k if you want to build the head as well
but even still you could upgrade every part of your 2.4 have larger potential and still spend less than a tc |
Originally Posted by elecblue06
(Post 5719789)
you are smoking something good if you think a tc on a stock turbo can beat a turboed le5 on 25 psi ( pending what turbo it is of course)
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Originally Posted by terry11
(Post 5719895)
Haha ok. And i love how ppl with no turbo experience at all come on this forum, read a thread and think they know everything. The 25 psi has absolutely no bearing on this conversation at all because his car will most likely never even see that much boost. I must have missed all the threads on the 2.4's running a train on lnf's. Sorry my bad
there aren't alot of 2.4s that have gone for crazy power most people just turbo it and stay with 8-10 psi .. making under 300 whp. there are some people who have actually done some nice stuff. most lnfs dont go over full bolt ons either .. shit their are more 2.2's running trains on lnfs then 2.4s and there is only 1 of them running 25 psi lol i mean figure a byt tune on e85.. 370 wtrq and 340 whp .. on 24 psi.. a turbo 2.4 should be able to make that on a properly sized turbo under 20 psi |
Zzp has a car (don't know if it is theirs) running their stage 3 turbo kit, 2.4l running mid 11's
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Truth is there aren't many 2.2's or 2.4's "running trains" on lnf's because no one wants to put the $ into them, and it is harder making higher hp numbers reliably.
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Originally Posted by Rissa
(Post 5719969)
Truth is there aren't many 2.2's or 2.4's "running trains" on lnf's because no one wants to put the $ into them, and it is harder making higher hp numbers reliably.
the 06-07 2.4 can handle power but no one really pushes it |
Originally Posted by elecblue06
(Post 5719941)
dude seriously.. my car is turboed lol and 25 psi on the same turbo ( assuming they're both upgraded ) the 2.4 will make more .. no replacement for displacement man. not to mention the head on the le5 i think flows better then the stock LNF the lnf has the benefit of better efficiency with di but still
there aren't alot of 2.4s that have gone for crazy power most people just turbo it and stay with 8-10 psi .. making under 300 whp. there are some people who have actually done some nice stuff. most lnfs dont go over full bolt ons either .. shit their are more 2.2's running trains on lnfs then 2.4s and there is only 1 of them running 25 psi lol i mean figure a byt tune on e85.. 370 wtrq and 340 whp .. on 24 psi.. a turbo 2.4 should be able to make that on a properly sized turbo under 20 psi This guy obviously has A LOT to learn and I'm not saying thats a bad thing at all everybody has to start somewhere, I was merely saying that I think his best option would be getting an lnf and saving himself hours and hours of headache and trouble. |
just buy an ss dude
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Originally Posted by Rissa
(Post 5719969)
Truth is there aren't many 2.2's or 2.4's "running trains" on lnf's because no one wants to put the $ into them, and it is harder making higher hp numbers reliably.
Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple
(Post 5719956)
Zzp has a car (don't know if it is theirs) running their stage 3 turbo kit, 2.4l running mid 11's
Originally Posted by O9cobaltSS
(Post 5719987)
just buy an ss dude
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This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks everyone. I just wanted some criticism and honest opinions on it, I'll just make this car a show car, then buy a rwd, v8 and make that my fast car
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my turbo 2.4 had a little over 300whp.. and i only spent 1300 on the turbo setup.. (bought it off here)
it can be done for a good price.. proper turbo choicing and having reliable shops in the area for help are a plus... trifecta tuning isnt too bad either |
If I went zzp stage 3 then I would need around 3.5k for it all plus a new catback and clutch
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Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple
(Post 5720254)
If I went zzp stage 3 then I would need around 3.5k for it all plus a new catback and clutch
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