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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 02:30 PM
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Quick clutch question

Alright, Im not sure if I am experiencing a fading clutch or just imagining things here. Ive never experienced a bad clutch, so I kind of need some help. Not too long ago, I was pulling away from a toll, got up in the revvs some and around 4k in 1st the car all of a sudden went straight to redline and fell flat on its face. So I gathered it all back and kept going. Had no problems after that, and I did a quick 1st to 4th gear to see if it would slip and it didnt. So now yesterday I went to the track. My first 4 passes went great, then my fifth and last one I was in 2nd around 4k again and it did the same exact thing. Does it sound like my clutch is going or???? Im going to invest in a clutch soon anyways, but just wondering. Thanks!
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 06BrandonSS
Alright, Im not sure if I am experiencing a fading clutch or just imagining things here. Ive never experienced a bad clutch, so I kind of need some help. Not too long ago, I was pulling away from a toll, got up in the revvs some and around 4k in 1st the car all of a sudden went straight to redline and fell flat on its face. So I gathered it all back and kept going. Had no problems after that, and I did a quick 1st to 4th gear to see if it would slip and it didnt. So now yesterday I went to the track. My first 4 passes went great, then my fifth and last one I was in 2nd around 4k again and it did the same exact thing. Does it sound like my clutch is going or???? Im going to invest in a clutch soon anyways, but just wondering. Thanks!
Could be your clutch, the only thing that's got me puzzled is it's intermittent behavior.

Seems if it was on it's way out, it would have slipped well before your 5th run at the drags.

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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 09:32 PM
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what track were u at?i only saw 1 red ss/sc there and he was bone stock,there were other ones but diffrent colors?

and to answer ur question,yes ur clutch is starting to go slowely...once it gets hot,it starts to slip
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 09:37 PM
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It's our short first gear. I got the same problems. Stock clutch doesn't have enough clamping power for the amount of power we're pushing. (Stage 2, injectors, etc.)

It doesn't help, I see you have poly tranny mounts, they contribute as the pressure plate has an even harder time keeping clamping pressure when the engine and tranny can't move.
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Super_SS
and to answer ur question,yes ur clutch is starting to go slowely...once it gets hot,it starts to slip
For me, my clutch slips in-between gear changes whether it's hot or cold.

If I dead shift it (100% off throttle at shifts) then it's fine (again, hot or cold).

But dead shifting slows the car considerably ... jerks the chassis ... is just plain horrible.
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 09:50 PM
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Sounds like the pressure plate.
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by firemanfrank
For me, my clutch slips in-between gear changes whether it's hot or cold.

If I dead shift it (100% off throttle at shifts) then it's fine (again, hot or cold).

But dead shifting slows the car considerably ... jerks the chassis ... is just plain horrible.
Frank let me drive your car, I bet I can make that clutch grab good as new.
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 09:53 PM
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My clutch did the same thing before it went. I have a 2.4, but I would be driving and it would grind into second every once in awhile. And on other days it would go into gear then jump to redline, just like yours is. Replace that clutch before you end up stranded on the road, like I did
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 10:00 PM
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I'm serious Frank.. lol

If the clutch was genuinely toast, wouldn't it slip while it's engaged? It has to be the way you shift.. Not saying you don't know what you are doing or anything like that. Just curious is all.
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chris88z24
I'm serious Frank.. lol

If the clutch was genuinely toast, wouldn't it slip while it's engaged?
Only thing I can think of is:
  • it's in the early stages of failure (as stated in a previous post)
  • pressure plate itself is failing

It has to be the way you shift.. Not saying you don't know what you are doing or anything like that. Just curious is all.
I appreciate your honesty chris, but I disagree with you 100%.

There's wayyy too many threads on this forum regarding "bad low mileage clutches" to be ignored. There's an ongoing pattern here, why can't you see that bro?

Take a look at other performance car forums and see if you observe as many threads on the same topic (repeated over and over again).

It ain't there chris ...

(BTW - everything alright with your car now?)
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 11:02 PM
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You do make some good points. There is a TON of people complaining of clutch issues. But you have to remember, these cars are mainly driven by younger (and often inexperienced) people than, say, a corvette would. Many members here even learned to drive stick on these cars (including myself.) Again, not saying you don't know how to drive as I know you have tons more experience than I do with stick-shift cars. I have been driving the car the "way the car wants to be driven" since new, and I have zero issues with the clutch. Hell today I got on it, revved 1st out to 7k and squealed the tires when I went into 2nd. I did this about 2 or 3 times again, after driving in heavy stop and go traffic to test how the clutch holds up to heat. Same result, spinning tires and grabbing clutch. It just seems like there is too many "hit or miss" cases with this to say that the part is genuinely at fault. Again, am I calling you a bad driver? Not at all. It just doesnt make sense how one person's clutch can grab so well yet another person's can slip so bad. Especially on cars with such low miles.

P.s. yeah my car is fine now. New wheels, new rear "axle" assembly, and a new front strut. Salisbury did the suspension install, and I went through insurance with it. The bodywork is fine, I just need to take my front lip off and have Denooyer repaint it for free like they said they would (whether or not they stand up to their word is anyone's guess).
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 01:59 AM
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Hey guys, sorry for the delayed reply I was at work all afternoon. Thanks for the help, I pretty much figured something clutchwise is going. From what I understand about dead shifting, that is what I was doing at the track. And the track was 41 dragstrip in Morocco, Indiana. I didnt go to Great Lakes due to not wanting to break anything and have to be towed 150 miles back home. Now just gotta get the money for a clutch, definitely cannot afford anything near the Exedy, hoping something comes across Ebay shortly. How much is a new slave cylinder also, anyone know? Thanks again, I appreciate it.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 06BrandonSS
Hey guys, sorry for the delayed reply I was at work all afternoon. Thanks for the help, I pretty much figured something clutchwise is going. From what I understand about dead shifting, that is what I was doing at the track. And the track was 41 dragstrip in Morocco, Indiana. I didnt go to Great Lakes due to not wanting to break anything and have to be towed 150 miles back home. Now just gotta get the money for a clutch, definitely cannot afford anything near the Exedy, hoping something comes across Ebay shortly. How much is a new slave cylinder also, anyone know? Thanks again, I appreciate it.
Go with the new centerforce dfx. I'll look into the slave cylinder for you. I'm prolly gonna grab one for myself before I do my clutch.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 06BrandonSS
. And the track was 41 dragstrip in Morocco, Indiana. .
Maybe Ill catch ya out at 41 . Im there quite a bit .

btw , the slave and TB are 1 piece . Its like 110 bux thru the dealer .
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 02:16 AM
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Sweet, yeah Im definitely going back after I get the new clutch to try and run high 13's. And thanks for the price, I was looking at it today and thats what I thought it was.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverSS/SC
Maybe Ill catch ya out at 41 . Im there quite a bit .

btw , the slave and TB are 1 piece . Its like 110 bux thru the dealer .
You don't happen to have the Part # for the slave/tb by chance?
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by chris88z24
It just seems like there is too many "hit or miss" cases with this to say that the part is genuinely at fault.
Let me turn that statement around a bit and tell me how it sounds:
"There's just too many 'hit or miss' cases to say that a part is not genuinely at fault".

If a part of our clutch assembly was marginal, then I think a 'hit or miss' is exactly what we would see.

It just doesnt make sense how one person's clutch can grab so well yet another person's can slip so bad. Especially on cars with such low miles.
Agreed!

P.s. yeah my car is fine now. New wheels, new rear "axle" assembly, and a new front strut.
"A" front strut? Only one 'cause you were hit on just one side?

Salisbury did the suspension install, and I went through insurance with it. The bodywork is fine, I just need to take my front lip off and have Denooyer repaint it for free like they said they would (whether or not they stand up to their word is anyone's guess).
Insurance? Salisbury didn't cover the suspension?

Apparently I missed something somewhere, what does Denooyer have to do with what happened to your car?

Anyway, glad you're getting your car back together!
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