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mongorat427 08-02-2011 02:30 PM

ZZP Trans Installed
 
Well we got the ZZP 4.45 LSD trans installed. :cssNET::cssNET::cssNET: Im gettin too old for this shit:lol::lol::lol::lol:. Cant jump on it because Spec wants me to break in the clutch a least 500 miles. I set the ZZP rod at its shortest point while I break the clutch in. I still have to put the inner fenders back on and tidy up things a bit. Working on that air splitter next.

mongorat427 08-02-2011 03:25 PM

Took it out for a short ride. Shifts silky smooth. Can creep around in 2nd gear:lol::lol::lol::lol:

kxrida2000 08-02-2011 03:28 PM

spec clutch :(

EXsoccer1921 08-02-2011 03:29 PM

exnay on the specay

mongorat427 08-02-2011 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by kxrida2000 (Post 5951207)
spec clutch :(

Did you have bad luck with Spec ? If so what happened ?

EXsoccer1921 08-02-2011 03:33 PM

a lot of people have. i would have just ordered the stage 4 zzp clutch when you were buying the trans..

Rissa 08-02-2011 03:34 PM

Are you the first person other than ZZP to have this trans in their car? Also spec isn't bad from what I've heard.

mongorat427 08-02-2011 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by EXsoccer1921 (Post 5951224)
a lot of people have. i would have just ordered the stage 4 zzp clutch when you were buying the trans..

I allready had it so I used it. Ill write a review on it later.

kxrida2000 08-02-2011 03:38 PM

i spun the pucks completely off the disc doing a second gear pull...of course spec said it was my fault which it clearly wasnt. Clutch had about 1000 miles on it..broken in at least 500 cause i did my complete motor build and turbo kit at the same time. The member brags also had bad luck and his clutch gave out on him and yet again spec said it was his fault even though perfromance autowerks did his entire build. Spec gave me all kinds of attitude when i talked to them so i would NEVER reccommend or sure as hell never buy another spec clutch

mongorat427 08-02-2011 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by Rissa (Post 5951228)
Are you the first person other than ZZP to have this trans in their car? Also spec isn't bad from what I've heard.

As soon as they offered the trans I shipped one of my G85 cores and my Cyroed 4.45 gearset to them so Im probably one of the first with the 4.45 LSD Trans.

ItalianJoe1 08-02-2011 03:40 PM

Nothing wrong with a spec if it's installed propelry and driven right. The ZZP/Southbend clutches are great, but there's no reason to knock the Spec options, they have been one of the best so far.

mongorat427 08-02-2011 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by kxrida2000 (Post 5951236)
i spun the pucks completely off the disc doing a second gear pull...of course spec said it was my fault which it clearly wasnt. Clutch had about 1000 miles on it..broken in at least 500 cause i did my complete motor build and turbo kit at the same time. The member brags also had bad luck and his clutch gave out on him and yet again spec said it was his fault even though perfromance autowerks did his entire build. Spec gave me all kinds of attitude when i talked to them so i would NEVER reccommend or sure as hell never buy another spec clutch

That SUX. I got the roadrace clutch and so far they were helpful. I deal direct with Spec ,no middleman.

kxrida2000 08-02-2011 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by mongorat427 (Post 5951247)
That SUX. I got the roadrace clutch and so far they were helpful. I deal direct with Spec ,no middleman.

ya so did i and they were as friendly as ever and answered any questions i had but i soon as i had the issue..bang they gave me attitude and didnt care. Said they never have problems with their clutches but just reading over the forums i remember seeing at least 6 guys that have had them fail not including me

EXsoccer1921 08-02-2011 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Rissa (Post 5951228)
Are you the first person other than ZZP to have this trans in their car? Also spec isn't bad from what I've heard.

i'll have one early next year :D only i'll have the 3:86 final drive

mongorat427 08-02-2011 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by kxrida2000 (Post 5951263)
ya so did i and they were as friendly as ever and answered any questions i had but i soon as i had the issue..bang they gave me attitude and didnt care. Said they never have problems with their clutches but just reading over the forums i remember seeing at least 6 guys that have had them fail not including me

I would have filed a claim with the credit card or PayPal. Works every time for me

kxrida2000 08-02-2011 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by mongorat427 (Post 5951274)
I would have filed a claim with the credit card or PayPal. Works every time for me

i was thinking about it but it is a wear item so they could say i just burned the disc up myself even though thats not the case at all...i did a second gear pull and didnt even shift third and the clutch was gone...the rivets in the disc actually got pulled out on 3 of the pucks causing the clutch to fail

mongorat427 08-02-2011 03:55 PM

The reason I got it was the guys on the F Body forum liked Spec. I guess Ill find out.:lol::lol::lol:

mongorat427 08-02-2011 03:59 PM

Our LNF TOB dosnt help. It seems a lot of people have trouble with them also

kxrida2000 08-02-2011 04:01 PM

i mean i hope u have great luck with it haha just after the customer service experience i would never reccommend them soley based on that.

mongorat427 08-02-2011 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by kxrida2000 (Post 5951298)
i mean i hope u have great luck with it haha just after the customer service experience i would never reccommend them soley based on that.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:I can understand that

ItalianJoe1 08-02-2011 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by kxrida2000 (Post 5951281)
i was thinking about it but it is a wear item so they could say i just burned the disc up myself even though thats not the case at all...i did a second gear pull and didnt even shift third and the clutch was gone...the rivets in the disc actually got pulled out on 3 of the pucks causing the clutch to fail

That sounds like a mis-alignment issue or a pressure plate that wasn't fully engaged, allowing the disc to chatter until it broke the rivets.

Read the warranty section on Exedy's website, it's very accurate. Probably 95% of clutch problems are due to installer error or other mechanical problems that were present before or caused during the installation. I've seen major shops fuck up a fairly simple clutch job either because of sloppy work, lack of concern, or a simple mistake. It can happen to anyone.

kxrida2000 08-02-2011 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1 (Post 5951473)
That sounds like a mis-alignment issue or a pressure plate that wasn't fully engaged, allowing the disc to chatter until it broke the rivets.

Read the warranty section on Exedy's website, it's very accurate. Probably 95% of clutch problems are due to installer error or other mechanical problems that were present before or caused during the installation. I've seen major shops fuck up a fairly simple clutch job either because of sloppy work, lack of concern, or a simple mistake. It can happen to anyone.

i understand what you mean but it was installed correctly i assure you...my dad and uncle have done their fair share of work to know how to do a clutch. Both have drag cars over 1000hp and both have done 50+ clutch and tranny jobs. Ive also done 4 clutches in cars myself including a 2 that were in 500+ whp cars so i know how to do one also. all 3 of us were there when i put in it so it was def done correctly with an alighment tool and all. The pucks just fell off the disc which none of u have ever seen before so idk wat happened.

SSPainter 08-02-2011 06:05 PM

any reason you set the zzp rod so tight to break it in?

mongorat427 08-02-2011 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by SSPainter (Post 5951627)
any reason you set the zzp rod so tight to break it in?

Actually I set it loose (shorter) because I dont trust GMs FN Throw out bearing, ie slave cylinder. If you set it too long :bye::bye: slave. After the clutch is broke in I can lengthen it as neccessary

ItalianJoe1 08-02-2011 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by kxrida2000 (Post 5951563)
i understand what you mean but it was installed correctly i assure you...my dad and uncle have done their fair share of work to know how to do a clutch. Both have drag cars over 1000hp and both have done 50+ clutch and tranny jobs. Ive also done 4 clutches in cars myself including a 2 that were in 500+ whp cars so i know how to do one also. all 3 of us were there when i put in it so it was def done correctly with an alighment tool and all. The pucks just fell off the disc which none of u have ever seen before so idk wat happened.

How many of all those high hp car and drag cars were FWD?

I love when people say that, oh I built a (yadda yadda yadda race car) so I know what i'm doing...

I've built my share of engines, from 4 cyl cars to huge marine diesels, and i'm the first one to admit that there is always something new to learn. Don't assume becasue you worked on some types of cars you know how to work on all cars.

Yes it is always possible that something failed in the clutch due to poor material quality or whatever, i'm just saying in my experience and in the experience of most aftermarket companies, the installer is usually to blame.


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