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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 05:46 PM
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im not thread jacking but what could it mean if you get a big pop in the speakers when you turn your car on. I have an infinity 4 channel and infinity kappa 6x9 conponets???
The pop happens when there is stray voltage in the RCAs when the deck is turned on. Most amplifiers have a "soft turn on" or a mute circuit to stop them from popping. How do you have the turn on wire for the amps wired? You need to wire the amp turn on wire to the remote wire terminal on the deck if you don't have it that way already.

When I first wired my system up I hooked the turn on wire for the amp with the switched power wire for the deck and I got some small pops when I turned it on. What was happening was the deck and the amp turned on at the same time, but the deck took a couple seconds longer then the amp to turn on and when it actually booted up and cleared the RCA voltage, it made the speakers pop since the amp's soft turn on circuit had already done its thing. Hooking the turn on wire to the remote terminal on the head unit fixed the problem since the head unit didn't turn the amp on until it was "ready."
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Old Sep 21, 2006 | 06:57 PM
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The RMS on my speakers are 2-50 so I really dont think this is an issue, the 250 watts is peak, Im not that stupid. Plus the sensitivty on the speakers is high which is good for stock decks.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 04:20 AM
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lol thats typical... anyway i thought i would put my 2 cents in here. In terms of problems im not 100% sure what it is but i remember someone saying to check to see if its wired to 4 ohm BUT the factory amp runns at 2 ohm. Now i didnt click the link of the speaker but im pretty sure if you just did pos to pos and neg to neg you got a 4 ohm load so your only getting half of the amps rated power. to be honest i would return it just bc of the fact you said the speaker was fine for a few minutes

now to all the clipping people. Think about it this way. your rms value of an amp is really its max rms.... meaning if your amp is rated at 100w rms its not 100w of power with the volume at 1 vs 35 or whatever. so underpowering a speaker will not blow it because anyone that doesnt have the volume at or close to max is underpowering their speakers. problem is distortion. people get 100w speakers with a 25w amp and try to play them like they had a 100w amp. turning that 25w amp that high will make the amp clip and will eventually destroy a speaker
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 08:59 AM
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now to all the clipping people. Think about it this way. your rms value of an amp is really its max rms.... meaning if your amp is rated at 100w rms its not 100w of power with the volume at 1 vs 35 or whatever. so underpowering a speaker will not blow it because anyone that doesnt have the volume at or close to max is underpowering their speakers. problem is distortion. people get 100w speakers with a 25w amp and try to play them like they had a 100w amp. turning that 25w amp that high will make the amp clip and will eventually destroy a speaker
Thank you! Good way to put it. When they crank that 25w amp up into clipping the speaker can't cool itself effectively and eventually gets hurt.
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 03:16 AM
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lol is it just me or eveytime i explain anything in depth about audio the topic dies....
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 10:46 AM
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no cuz its all gonna go back to everyone knowing everything about audio...
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 06:19 PM
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wait what?
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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negative... you wont hear clipping...

and you wont get any 'weird noises' from underpowering a speaker...

i say, get an ohm meter and check them at the terminals... make sure you're getting 4ohms on each... one might be blown
i agree! the speakers probably sounded better after he put the amp on them because the amp cleaned up the watts. remember it's not how may watts you run your speakers with it's how many clean watts. i've hear systems with less watts thump harder that ones running signifigantly more and it was do to the installer taking his time and making sure all the coneections were solid and all that that other nice stuff.
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 10:56 AM
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So yeah, i never got the noise back so w/e im going to leave them, ive been pushing pretty hard alot lately, trying to get them to make the noise but its a no go, soo thumbs up for me. Anyways time to order my infinitys now for my front =)
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 05:46 PM
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wait what did you do to fix the noise? reinstalled?
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 09:10 PM
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wait what did you do to fix the noise? reinstalled?
he played with his spincter alittle and it went away. in other words he did nothing
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 09:21 PM
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the stock speakers are 2oHm. I imagine the alpines he has are 4oHm. does that affect anything?

I have Boston Rally's which is a component 6" (separate tweeter) and I bought 6x9 to 6" round plates that convert the cut out to hold the 6". Components generally will always sound way better that is why I went to this effort (also the 6" rally's come from my last car). So the question is can I hook up these 4oHm speakers in place of the 2oHm speakers?
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 09:38 PM
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the stock speakers are 2oHm. I imagine the alpines he has are 4oHm. does that affect anything?

I have Boston Rally's which is a component 6" (separate tweeter) and I bought 6x9 to 6" round plates that convert the cut out to hold the 6". Components generally will always sound way better that is why I went to this effort (also the 6" rally's come from my last car). So the question is can I hook up these 4oHm speakers in place of the 2oHm speakers?
get an amp. plus the components sound way better with an amp. if you going to go the extra mile and get components, then buy an amp to go with them.
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 10:50 PM
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Ehh the noise came back its like ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ sound and rattle, i think its woofer, because the highs sound great on them, so its gotta be the woofer, so I guess I will have to replace that speaker. Dammet. Will Alpine honor a warranty if I bought the speakers from Ebay?
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 11:01 PM
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Ehh the noise came back its like ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ sound and rattle, i think its woofer, because the highs sound great on them, so its gotta be the woofer, so I guess I will have to replace that speaker. Dammet. Will Alpine honor a warranty if I bought the speakers from Ebay?
possably..if they don't go to best buy or something like that and buy the same speakers and then take them back the next day and tell them they are buzzing like crazy and you want your money back cause you've decided to go with something else. works for me every time!
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by xspyder85x
get an amp. plus the components sound way better with an amp. if you going to go the extra mile and get components, then buy an amp to go with them.

Well I want a balanced system. I would like to do it all but want cash to go to performance right now. I have the components already. just want to put them in. if that is worth while.
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 11:16 PM
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possably..if they don't go to best buy or something like that and buy the same speakers and then take them back the next day and tell them they are buzzing like crazy and you want your money back cause you've decided to go with something else. works for me every time!
That's some pretty sneaky ****....I like it! Stick it to the man.
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 11:37 PM
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That's some pretty sneaky ****....I like it! Stick it to the man.

Am i going to get **** if they have sodder on the connection points? I can just say i installed them and found them to be faulty?
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 11:42 PM
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yes. just tell them they were faulty. most likely you'll get some steve erkle look alike who doesn't know what they are supposed to look like anyway. make sure they are the same exact model and everything or it won't work.

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Am i going to get **** if they have sodder on the connection points? I can just say i installed them and found them to be faulty?
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 11:44 PM
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lol thats sorta fucked up... didnt you have a rma from your seller on ebay?

to the comp guy 4ohm is fine but it will only see half the power from the stock amp as the 2 ohm... so ya get a new amp... and look at 4ohm specs to match to your speakers
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Xavipheus
Am i going to get **** if they have sodder on the connection points? I can just say i installed them and found them to be faulty?
not good bro... dont say you installed ****. that rings up many red flags
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 11:59 PM
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Then how would i know there bad? Cosmeticly they look good, so you would never know one is bad. And no the ebay seller has yet to give me an RMA. They cant prove I installed them wrong
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 12:14 AM
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dude i do this all the time without any problems. just insist they don't work and you want your money back because you've decided to go with something else.
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 09:15 AM
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yea that used to happen alot at our bestbuy. but then we stopped returning ****...

this more sounds like an install related issue... though i could be wrong... but why not pay the $45 for bestbuy to install them when you go in?

its almost like an insurance, if they break a panel, they pay for it. where as if you break it, you have to look at a broke panel.
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Xavipheus
Then how would i know there bad? Cosmeticly they look good, so you would never know one is bad. And no the ebay seller has yet to give me an RMA. They cant prove I installed them wrong
true but can you prove it wasnt an install issue? depending on whoes working or we they may try to pin it on whatever they can.... its alot easier to say you decided you dont want them bc they probably wont open the box until ur gone.
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