Heavy thoughts on SC swap to TC
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Heavy thoughts on SC swap to TC
i have the stage 3 kit from zzp 60#s h/e 2.8 pacesetter wideband....im gettin hahn exhaust and meth in spring and getting a tune....how much h.p u think i will be able to push out of it? im thinking about getting the tvs later on or just selling everything i jus named and going full turbo swap...i wanna push about 280-300 what would be the cheapest and easiest way... suggestions
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having the hardest time deciding this.....is there really any point going over 300 with a fwd car it kinda doesnt make any sense to me would the car even be able to use that(hard to explain)
By road racing I don't mean street racing.....which it sounds like you mean by saying "strip"
the powerband is much better. pulls really hard till redine.
put it this way, from a roll, a 300whp s/c cobalt will beat a 300whp tc cobalt.
a blower car has a more linear powercuve and the torque curve is also very nice. on turbo cars the powerband is very peaky and it drops off in the upper rpms.
put it this way, from a roll, a 300whp s/c cobalt will beat a 300whp tc cobalt.
a blower car has a more linear powercuve and the torque curve is also very nice. on turbo cars the powerband is very peaky and it drops off in the upper rpms.
the powerband is much better. pulls really hard till redine.
put it this way, from a roll, a 300whp s/c cobalt will beat a 300whp tc cobalt.
a blower car has a more linear powercuve and the torque curve is also very nice. on turbo cars the powerband is very peaky and it drops off in the upper rpms.
put it this way, from a roll, a 300whp s/c cobalt will beat a 300whp tc cobalt.
a blower car has a more linear powercuve and the torque curve is also very nice. on turbo cars the powerband is very peaky and it drops off in the upper rpms.
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good stuff now ur talkin
good stuff now ur talkin
you have any suggestions
the powerband is much better. pulls really hard till redine.
put it this way, from a roll, a 300whp s/c cobalt will beat a 300whp tc cobalt.
a blower car has a more linear powercuve and the torque curve is also very nice. on turbo cars the powerband is very peaky and it drops off in the upper rpms.
put it this way, from a roll, a 300whp s/c cobalt will beat a 300whp tc cobalt.
a blower car has a more linear powercuve and the torque curve is also very nice. on turbo cars the powerband is very peaky and it drops off in the upper rpms.
you have any suggestions
Last edited by Ryan1217; Jan 19, 2011 at 04:44 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
i have the stage 3 kit from zzp 60#s h/e 2.8 pacesetter wideband....im gettin hahn exhaust and meth in spring and getting a tune....how much h.p u think i will be able to push out of it? im thinking about getting the tvs later on or just selling everything i jus named and going full turbo swap...i wanna push about 280-300 what would be the cheapest and easiest way... suggestions?
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you get a smaller sized turbo and its going to lose its breath up top.
you get a bigger turbo and there will be lag.
you get a tvs and there is no lag and no falling off up top at all.
i love my ss/tc but id love to have a tvs powerband along with it. lol.
you get a bigger turbo and there will be lag.
you get a tvs and there is no lag and no falling off up top at all.
i love my ss/tc but id love to have a tvs powerband along with it. lol.
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not bias either with tc lovin it
how much you want to bet a tvs isn't as snappy as you think it is? its not snappy like an m62 and the boost comes in slower, and you have to spin the hell out of it(rpm wise) to get the power out of it.
ss/tc makes 300whp and revs to 6.5k. hes shifting around 65mph or so.
ss/sc makes 300whp and revs to 7.5k. hes shifting around 75mph.
so what we have here is the ss/tc shifting sooner while the ss/sc pulls even more in a better gear. after both cars shift the ss/sc will be higher in the revs (where it makes more power) because the rev limit is higher.
its a little difficult for me to explain without a proper example (the above is just hypothetical, not realistic numbers)
but anyway, point is, the tvs will make full boost first, and will pull ahead more with each shift. you could increase the rev limit on the ss/tc but it would fall on its face from the tiny turbo. plus the ss/tc isnt making 300whp in the upper rpm's like the tvs car is. it peaks 300whp and then slowly goes down. the blower car will just keep pulling and pulling.
being able to rev higher is a huge advantage if your making power up top. a car is going to pull much better in a lower gear.
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ive rode in elite_cyborgs car. (tvs making 320whp at the time). it built boost faster than my k04, and it just kept pulling. he had his rev limiter set to almost 8k. theres nothin wrong with revving it out because he could almost hit 80 in second gear. so lets say you have a ss/tc and a ss/sc.
ss/tc makes 300whp and revs to 6.5k. hes shifting around 65mph or so.
ss/sc makes 300whp and revs to 7.5k. hes shifting around 75mph.
so what we have here is the ss/tc shifting sooner while the ss/sc pulls even more in a better gear. after both cars shift the ss/sc will be higher in the revs (where it makes more power) because the rev limit is higher.
its a little difficult for me to explain without a proper example (the above is just hypothetical, not realistic numbers)
but anyway, point is, the tvs will make full boost first, and will pull ahead more with each shift. you could increase the rev limit on the ss/tc but it would fall on its face from the tiny turbo. plus the ss/tc isnt making 300whp in the upper rpm's like the tvs car is. it peaks 300whp and then slowly goes down. the blower car will just keep pulling and pulling.
being able to rev higher is a huge advantage if your making power up top. a car is going to pull much better in a lower gear.
ss/tc makes 300whp and revs to 6.5k. hes shifting around 65mph or so.
ss/sc makes 300whp and revs to 7.5k. hes shifting around 75mph.
so what we have here is the ss/tc shifting sooner while the ss/sc pulls even more in a better gear. after both cars shift the ss/sc will be higher in the revs (where it makes more power) because the rev limit is higher.
its a little difficult for me to explain without a proper example (the above is just hypothetical, not realistic numbers)
but anyway, point is, the tvs will make full boost first, and will pull ahead more with each shift. you could increase the rev limit on the ss/tc but it would fall on its face from the tiny turbo. plus the ss/tc isnt making 300whp in the upper rpm's like the tvs car is. it peaks 300whp and then slowly goes down. the blower car will just keep pulling and pulling.
being able to rev higher is a huge advantage if your making power up top. a car is going to pull much better in a lower gear.
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