slowbalt19

Is there a chance of a massive build-up on the valves from the flooding of the car? If the plugs looked like the had massive carbon build-up to the point they wouldnt even arc "they would not spark at all" then could the same thing happen to the valves? possibly causing a problem?

NJHK

After that I post I suggested him just testing his car out without the SMT6 on but staying out of boost. If it is a faulty MAP sensor (which from your explaination makes sense), he should probably either just switch to the other setup where it connects to his MAF sensor to change the voltage or I guess get a new MAP sensor.

I'm suprised his O2 sensor didn't throw a code either. They usually get corroded fast when you flood the engine.

slowbalt19

How bad would would a shot 02 sensor affect the idleing of my car?

potatoe

First of all the engine would be running in open loop after start up.... there for the o2 sensor would not be at fault. Its something in open loop operation affecting the idle. I dont know what, possibly IAT sensor or even map? Can you get data or a snapshot from the car as it idles bad? Possibly still excess fuel in the intake system or a leaking primary injector?

slowbalt19

uploading vids now
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...a-360bca3316fd
here are some vids, the 4th one is when the car goes back to idle normally

NJHK

If your O2 sensor is corroded, it can't read the amount of fuel in the exhaust/fuel mixture (I think with narrowbands they read by heat...I can't remember right now 100%), so it would think it's running lean when it's trying to reference between your MAF sensor and your first O2 sensor.

But like he said, during warm up, you're in open loop.

It's not loading at work.

Did you do what I suggested?

Can you describe what is happening in the videos?

slowbalt19

i tried what you suggested, but everytime i start the car it idles wildly for about 10-15 min before it returns to acting normal

NJHK

Odd.

Did you check your O2 sensor?

Also, did you drive the car at all?

slowbalt19

i need to check my o2's there is one on the turbo Exhaust housing, and the one after the cat. the car drives/runs fine once the idleing settels is self down

potatoe

The 02 isnt used in open loop.......

NJHK

Like I've been saying, I think there is something wrong with the 5th injector setup...something is faulty.

Do you remember the time that the car stays in open loop for? Like the temperature?

Also, slowbalt, did you check your MAF sensor at all? How far is the 5th injector from the MAF? Just curious.

shadowfaxss

iTrader: (3)

I agree the O2 sensor is a good possibility. If the injector flooded the engine chances are it damaged the O2 sensor. I'm not familiar with the 2.2. Is it a three wire heated O2 sensor? Does the 2.2 have a MAF?

NJHK

The 2.2 does (and all the Delta cars) have a MAF sensor.

shadowfaxss

iTrader: (3)

Is the MAF on that turbo kit located before the turbo or after the intercooler?

NJHK

I'm not 100% but I think it's after the intercooler. I'm just assuming.

I'm trying to find out how close the MAF is to the 5th injector setup to see if possibly fuel was reaching the sensor.

slowbalt19

i feel a little dumb right now.....the MAF sensor is the one that goes on the cold air intake on a n/a right?....Im having a long, bad day. if that is the case then the MAF sits just past my cone filter not far from its stock location . How much is a decent 02 sensor i will just buy two, i will ***** off my plasma for the money since i cant drive to work.

NJHK

A new O2 sensor can be just over $100.

Is your MAF sensor in your charge pipe or is it in the pipe/filter setup that goes to your turbochargers compressor air inlet?

shadowfaxss

iTrader: (3)

What I was thinking.....those two or three heated wires operate at about 1200 degrees F. I beleive the IAT is in the MAF also. At start up the PCM can see the O2 sensor but will choose not to acknowledge it's input. To help heat up the cat the system will adjust the AF Ration to about 14.4 or 14.5/1. Surprised there are no DTC but I assume the PCM has a different MAP for the turbo. Who knows what parameters or values are set for the input/outputs.

slowbalt19

100 BUCKS, looks like I will ***** my plasma away, and my MAF is in the charge pipe

NJHK

Before you buy anything, check your sensors. See if they are covered in fuel or corroded looking. Check your MAF first since it's the easiest to check.

I just want to make sure that fuel didn't back up into the MAF sensor.

slowbalt19

what is the sensor that sits on the intake manifold right above the throttle body?

NJHK

The more I read...the more it sounds like possibly your MAF...

http://www.spydermagazine.com/2002/M.../maf_clean.htm

http://www.crcindustries.com/files/19965_1.PDF

Is it connected to the Throttle Body?

Picture?

slowbalt19

anybody know what size wrench is needed to pull the 02 sensors?

LewiSS

The MAF in that set-up is between the cone filter and the turbo inlet. The 5th injector fires in just above the throttle body into the charge pipe. There is no way fuel could have gotten to the MAF, since it is before the turbo in the intake air stream. If a sensor was damaged from fuel, it must be the O2 sensor. Or, a throught just strikes me, could the MAP be affected by fuel? It is in the manifold which normally has no fuel in it.

Have you tried running a heavy jumper directly from the battery to the power input to the piggy-back?

slowbalt19

if the piggy back has its own map sensor then could that affect start up? If the piggy back is freaking out and retarding timeing a possiblity?