turbochargedss2012

ok so i been looking into getting a cai then getting new charge pipes and i keep reading at every brand i look at oh it will give you 15-30 more HP just by adding the cold air then i go and look at the charge pipes and they say somthing like 10-25 more hp so if i were to buy all new piping id gain lets say 20-40 more hp? the piping isnt really that much different then what comes stock besides it a lil more open witch makes better air flow and i understand better air flow means more hp but 20-40? how is that possible? i understand like 10-15 tops. so are these brands just using that as a sell point to get people to buy? lol sorry guys i just dont get it

SSSnoop

It doesn't add 100%, in practically any circumstances. They will quote 15-30, depending whether it was a stock or modded engine. 30 hp is dream world (even 15hp is generally dream world).

Here's an example for you - although not 'balt related. My 95 LT1 has a bunch of mods. Here's the approximate supposed hp improvements for some of them:

Cam - 40 hp
CAI - 12 hp
MAF/Hypertech airfoil/tb mods - 15 hp
BBK headers - 40hp
race cat - 20hp
3" Borla exhaust - 20 hp
Tune - 20 hp

Did I end up with a car with 167 extra horsepower? Um, no. Wish I did, but no. I ended up with close to 100 hp from those mods, which isn't too shabby. I bet I'd come close to the approximates if I did each one individually without the others, but you end up in situations where the performance gains overlap for the mods (like the MAF/airfoil mods blend with the CAI, and the cat/cat-back and headers), and the real improvement will actually be over the entire torque curve, not necessarily at peak. Its not that one becomes useless because of the other - they compliment/supplement each other. The only time I really got close to the advertized power improvements was when I did the BBK's after all the other work - there were no restrictions holding any of those "advertised" ponies back.

In short - you don't get all that beautiful power in great gobs, unfortunately!

AyrtonSenna

I would suggest to get CAI, CPs and DP, then tune it. You should be around 320/330

Nfamous60

iTrader: (11)

didnt think Chargepipes added Hp just gave you more security then the factory plastic. i learned something new.

AyrtonSenna

That's the reason for getting them, of course

jacream_booSSted

yeah i'm pretty sure they don't. i think the only performance gain MIGHT be faster turbo spool. but come to think of it that wouldn't make sense, so nvm. lol

actually, maybe just better throttle response

NICOMAN

yes for the most part those companys r just using it as a selling point..yes of corse more air is good..but remember more air means u need more fuel ..therefore the only way to really benefit from it is to get a tune on top of it ..get the cai ..then order a tune from trifecta ..and ull see some good gains

Nfamous60

iTrader: (11)

not sure on that trifecta.....HPtuner may yield better gains

AyrtonSenna

From my experience, I don't know how much every single thing gives you. When I was on only bolts-on, I had Hahn catted DP and catback, Injen CAI and CP, I got a tune from a local tuner, it was set at only 20psi, and I dynoed 310hp.

Nfamous60

iTrader: (11)

impressive with my bolt ons and a hp tune i yield bout 323whp easy but on 24psi. then i upped the boost to 27psi ran that for a few months, and when i dropped altitude going from el paso to NYC, i hit a 31psi spike and bye bye lil turbo lol. not sure where my power was at that time.

AyrtonSenna

Are you still in NYC?

Nfamous60

iTrader: (11)

wife n kids are im deployed..

ill be bac that way mid march on leave...lol upgraded of course

NICOMAN

yeah of corse but not by much ..its just way easier

Nfamous60

iTrader: (11)

ok i didnt wan to make a full fledged statement i have never used trifecta, just go off of sum user comments.

SSSnoop

I have trifecta - I don't think its a matter of better gains being available through HP; I think its more of a trifecta-tunes-are-more-conservative thing. I went with trifecta because of the need to stealth tune - I needed a wife-friendly tune on the car when its started up (GMS1)!

VapeWI

iTrader: (2)

lol you can't compare your LT1. A FI car will get more from mods than your NA car ever did. The only way to know is to dyno before and after.

SSSnoop

I think you missed my point. There is NO difference between the two when you're comparing the proposed gains you get from aftermarket parts on a 'charged versus a NA application - I'm making the point that the individual gains are by no means 100% additive. They are over-idealized and individually measured; you will never see the real dyno sheet show the hp numbers of what these companies claim you get from each individual mod, whether it be an LNF, an LT1 or a lawnmower engine for that matter.

As for what my LT1 gets, remember, after all the mods to max the hardware, I can always ADD that turbo!