2.0L LSJ is among the Top 10 Engines!
12-13-2005, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
How So ???
I hope you are not talking about Hp/L ...I really thought you were smarter than that
you must know hp/l is irrelevant
I hope you are not talking about Hp/L ...I really thought you were smarter than that
you must know hp/l is irrelevant
12-13-2005, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
you had no restriction on displacement ...
your deflecting now ...stay on point weasy
your deflecting now ...stay on point weasy
12-13-2005, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SS4ME
Yes, if you abuse the clutch that car is something. I have raced a couple from 5 mph roll and it was even! From a dig like I said, if you abuse the clutch, they can motor!
12-13-2005, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by wasey13
Read the original topic... it is very relevant. S2000s are faster also in everything. Once again N/A!
I don’t see what NA has to do with it ..but as far as comparing the flagship Honda to the cobalt seems a little sad (particularly when all of us who have raced a S2k know they can loose)
I think since your going to bring up how fast the S2k is you should pit it against a vette as they are both 2 seat F/R sports cars (with a similar price) ..however the S2k fails hard here ..even if you compare their engines ..the S2k engine is IIRC a few pounds lighter than the vette occupies around the same dimensions (despite being 4 cyl vs 8) and overall as a car gets worse fuel economy and costs more to produce....it must be an amazing engine though ...
things like hp/l don’t make great engines there are many factors which come into play (the only people who care about hp/l are people who think VTEC is big deal) I guess its something to cling to when discusing how well engines look on paper and nothing else ...
12-13-2005, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
I don’t see what NA has to do with it ..but as far as comparing the flagship Honda to the cobalt seems a little sad (particularly when all of us who have raced a S2k know they can loose)
I think since your going to bring up how fast the S2k is you should pit it against a vette as they are both 2 seat F/R sports cars (with a similar price) ..however the S2k fails hard here ..even if you compare their engines ..the S2k engine is IIRC a few pounds lighter than the vette occupies around the same dimensions (despite being 4 cyl vs 8) and overall as a car gets worse fuel economy and costs more to produce....it must be an amazing engine though ...
things like hp/l don’t make great engines there are many factors which come into play (the only people who care about hp/l are people who think VTEC is big deal) I guess its something to cling to when discusing how well engines look on paper and nothing else ...
I think since your going to bring up how fast the S2k is you should pit it against a vette as they are both 2 seat F/R sports cars (with a similar price) ..however the S2k fails hard here ..even if you compare their engines ..the S2k engine is IIRC a few pounds lighter than the vette occupies around the same dimensions (despite being 4 cyl vs 8) and overall as a car gets worse fuel economy and costs more to produce....it must be an amazing engine though ...
things like hp/l don’t make great engines there are many factors which come into play (the only people who care about hp/l are people who think VTEC is big deal) I guess its something to cling to when discusing how well engines look on paper and nothing else ...
HAHA show me where you can get a brand new vette for 34k and worse fuel economy? You guys can beat GTOs and LS1 f-bodies too. Any car can lose. Doesn't mean your car is faster or better. And why are you deflecting the issue... you guys said your motor is better then all Honda motors stock to stock. I just proved that wrong. Kthxhugsbye.
12-13-2005, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JonyyB
<img src="https://www.cobaltss.net/articles/eco.jpg" align="left" border="0" hspace="5" vspace="5">Ward’s has been issuing its “Top 10 Engines” list for a dozen years now, and this year’s list, like others, is filled with internal combustion goodness. In alphabetical order:
Audi 2L FSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Audi A3)
Audi 4.2L DOHC V-8 (Audi S4)
BMW 3L DOHC I-6 (330i)
DCX 5.7L Hemi Magnum OHV V-8 (Dodge Charger R/T)
Ford 4.6L SOHC V-8 (Mustang GT)
GM 2L supercharged DOHC I-4 (Chevrolet Cobalt SS)
GM 2.8L turbocharged DOHC V-6 (Saab 9-3 Aero)
Mazda 2.3L DISI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Mazdaspeed 6)
Nissan 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Infiniti G35 6MT)
Toyota 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
Source: http://autoblog.com/entry/1234000323071930/
Audi 2L FSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Audi A3)
Audi 4.2L DOHC V-8 (Audi S4)
BMW 3L DOHC I-6 (330i)
DCX 5.7L Hemi Magnum OHV V-8 (Dodge Charger R/T)
Ford 4.6L SOHC V-8 (Mustang GT)
GM 2L supercharged DOHC I-4 (Chevrolet Cobalt SS)
GM 2.8L turbocharged DOHC V-6 (Saab 9-3 Aero)
Mazda 2.3L DISI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Mazdaspeed 6)
Nissan 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Infiniti G35 6MT)
Toyota 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
Source: http://autoblog.com/entry/1234000323071930/
12-13-2005, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wasey13
HAHA show me where you can get a brand new vette for 34k and worse fuel economy? You guys can beat GTOs and LS1 f-bodies too. Any car can lose. Doesn't mean your car is faster or better. And why are you deflecting the issue... you guys said your motor is better then all Honda motors stock to stock. I just proved that wrong. Kthxhugsbye.
I didnt say it costs less to buy a vette the engine costs less to produce ...than a S2k engine (we were talking about engines till you deflected and said the S2k was "faster at everything")
yes it gets worse fuel ecoonomy ....the s2k engine has to work hard the vette can turn that tall 6th gear with all its low end torque
you really only proved how narowminded you are when it comes to honda... ( I also learned that you think hp/l was something important which made me lol..)
12-13-2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by wasey13
HAHA show me where you can get a brand new vette for 34k and worse fuel economy? You guys can beat GTOs and LS1 f-bodies too. Any car can lose. Doesn't mean your car is faster or better. And why are you deflecting the issue... you guys said your motor is better then all Honda motors stock to stock. I just proved that wrong. Kthxhugsbye.
2) well if honda motors are so great then why arnt any on the list
3) how is this guy not banned all he does is flame our cars, motors, and everything anyone has ever said on this site. what happened to the trolls will be banned cause im pretty sure he fits that pretty well!!!!
12-13-2005, 03:33 PM
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He can't afford a Honda! HaHaHa!! He drives a 25 year old piece!! In what way have you proved anything Wasey13. What about when you said an auto Altima would take an SS/SC? Did you ever get proof this? 
12-13-2005, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
no you asked if it was better than specific honda motors we told you why we think that
I didnt say it costs less to buy a vette the engine costs less to produce ...than a S2k engine (we were talking about engines till you deflected and said the S2k was "faster at everything")
yes it gets worse fuel ecoonomy ....the s2k engine has to work hard the vette can turn that tall 6th gear with all its low end torque
you really only proved how narowminded you are when it comes to honda... ( I also learned that you think hp/l was something important which made me lol..)
I didnt say it costs less to buy a vette the engine costs less to produce ...than a S2k engine (we were talking about engines till you deflected and said the S2k was "faster at everything")
yes it gets worse fuel ecoonomy ....the s2k engine has to work hard the vette can turn that tall 6th gear with all its low end torque
you really only proved how narowminded you are when it comes to honda... ( I also learned that you think hp/l was something important which made me lol..)
S2000 20/25 mpg, Corvettes 18/28, 17/27, 16,26. Yeah they get better gas mileage.
Once again read this discussion, hp/l matters in this discussion.
Originally Posted by xskier874
1) 34k for a S2K is a rip off when you can get a GTO for the same price and have twice the car
2) well if honda motors are so great then why arnt any on the list
3) how is this guy not banned all he does is flame our cars, motors, and everything anyone has ever said on this site. what happened to the trolls will be banned cause im pretty sure he fits that pretty well!!!!
2) well if honda motors are so great then why arnt any on the list
3) how is this guy not banned all he does is flame our cars, motors, and everything anyone has ever said on this site. what happened to the trolls will be banned cause im pretty sure he fits that pretty well!!!!
2) Good question... maybe they wanted to spread the glory around cause last year there were 2 or 3 Honda motors on there and the year before and the year before that.
3) Why do you guys want me banned? Because I don't kiss your ass and say the Cobalt SS/SC is the best car and I say Honda makes some superior products?? You can not find one post where I have bashed the Cobalts. I like them, they are good cars. They are just not spectacular, like they could have or should have been.
12-13-2005, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wasey13
How did I "deflect" anything?
S2000 20/25 mpg, Corvettes 18/28, 17/27, 16,26. Yeah they get better gas mileage.
Once again read this discussion, hp/l matters in this discussion. Pretty sad you can't spell naRrowminded right.
S2000 20/25 mpg, Corvettes 18/28, 17/27, 16,26. Yeah they get better gas mileage.
Once again read this discussion, hp/l matters in this discussion. Pretty sad you can't spell naRrowminded right.
seriously I make a typo and that’s all you have .... when people criticize spelling its because they can't argue the facts
I dont have to RE-read the discussion hp/l is never relavant ..thats not how great engines are determined
12-13-2005, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
Nice links to where you got those stats from but even when you pull stats you show how the Vette gets better highway mileage
seriously I make a typo and that’s all you have .... when people criticize spelling its because they can't argue the facts
I dont have to RE-read the discussion hp/l is never relavant ..thats not how great engines are determined
seriously I make a typo and that’s all you have .... when people criticize spelling its because they can't argue the facts
I dont have to RE-read the discussion hp/l is never relavant ..thats not how great engines are determined
Seriously when people start to insult other people it is because they can't argue the facts.
How is hp/l not relavant and mpg is??? At least hp/l has to only do with the engine which is what this discussion is about. Mpg has a lot to do with weight and gearing. Tell me how great engines are determined.
12-13-2005, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by wasey13
From Honda.com and Chevy.com last time I checked 90+% of people mostly drive in the city.
Seriously when people start to insult other people it is because they can't argue the facts.
How is hp/l not relavant and mpg is??? At least hp/l has to only do with the engine which is what this discussion is about. Mpg has a lot to do with weight and gearing. Tell me how great engines are determined.
Seriously when people start to insult other people it is because they can't argue the facts.
How is hp/l not relavant and mpg is??? At least hp/l has to only do with the engine which is what this discussion is about. Mpg has a lot to do with weight and gearing. Tell me how great engines are determined.
nobody buys cars because they have a high hp/l ....people do buy cars with fuel economy in mind which makes it a much more relevant stat
I hope I didn't make a typo or you will actually have something to argue ...
12-13-2005, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
because you can have low hp/l and have a huge amount of torque and an impressive power band example viper or you can have high hp/l and very small amount of torque and a very unusable power band ex s2000 ...peak horsepower is great but if you don’t have the area under the curve to back it up its not all that useful and a great engine should be one with a useable power band
nobody buys cars because they have a high hp/l ....people do buy cars with fuel economy in mind which makes it a much more relevant stat
I hope I didn't make a typo or you will actually have something to argue ...
nobody buys cars because they have a high hp/l ....people do buy cars with fuel economy in mind which makes it a much more relevant stat
I hope I didn't make a typo or you will actually have something to argue ...
12-14-2005, 01:07 AM
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Here is the link to the Wards Auto article that gives some insight into the list. Good read.
http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_wards_names_best/index.htm
http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_wards_names_best/index.htm
12-14-2005, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by zinner
Here is the link to the Wards Auto article that gives some insight into the list. Good read.
http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_wards_names_best/index.htm
http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_wards_names_best/index.htm
12-14-2005, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by wasey13
Why are they talking about hp/l that is useless???
Then only time you would talk about Hp/l is for countries with displacement tax ...and since this is an international article it makes sense they would put it in there ..but it is no indication of how good an engine is ...respond to hp/l in the other thread ...no need to get into it here again
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From what I heard, I think our engine, ss/sc, can handle up to 300+ hp with stock parts. That tells me that it is a very well built engine in stock form. Let me know if anything I am saying is false. Yes I am a former 2000 Si owner and know that Honda makes really good engines but for my/our ss/sc to be on this list and not a Honda makes me feel really good.
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Originally Posted by fifasf
From what I heard, I think our engine, ss/sc, can handle up to 300+ hp with stock parts. That tells me that it is a very well built engine in stock form. Let me know if anything I am saying is false. Yes I am a former 2000 Si owner and know that Honda makes really good engines but for my/our ss/sc to be on this list and not a Honda makes me feel really good.
400 hp for the lsj