from what i understand that GM is suppose to dump the SC on the Cobalts and most likely on all the 2.0s and switch them to the 2.0 Turbos. Now that is what I've heard, not 100% on it, but since they are gonna offer the Solistice with it, I dont see why they wont slap them in the Cobalts, Ions and the G4s.

 

I like the idea of the turbo I dont have an SS so if they go thru with the turbo idea maybe they will have an application for my car. Kinda pissed a little as well seeing how i just got my car about a month ago and would have waited for the G4 if it had a turbo

 

i think GM should keep the cobalt S/C and go with the turbo for pontiac .....to differentiate the two brands....as long as they charge the pontiac more

 

This is just my opinion but I like the looks of the solstice (Maybe a "Chick" car but its still good looking) and the coupe concept slated for the future looks even better. The GXP Solstice Coupe will be a b a turbo chraged rear wheel drive car and the saturn sky will surely follow. anyway, Saturn, Chevy and Pontiac will all have the delta platform available with the LSJ but Chevy won't have a solstice/sky counterpart. In my opinion if gm is going to sell the same cars with different brand names why wouldn't they give chevy a Solstice?Sky counterpart? Right know it looks like chevy is getting screwed. just my opinion.

 

I posted this on another thread, thought I would share my insight here:


I keep reading posts by people that think that the Cobalt SS or G4/G5 will get the 2.0L Turbo next year! I just wanted to post some pics for comparison, to look at the layout of the engine compared to the LSJ.

The solstice is a front-engine, RWD car. So the inline 4 is mounted facing forward. As you can see in the pics, this leaves room for the turbo hanging off the side of the engine, and the large air intake on the opposite side of the piston bank. If you look at the pictures of the LSJ mounted transversley (FWD, front engine) in the Cobalt, you will see that the turbo and intake as mounted in the Solstice would never fit in the Cobalt.

GM would need to re-design the engine to fit these into the Cobalt or G4/G5. Considering that the G4/G5 is an "interm" car until Pontiac can develop it's own vehicle suggests to me that GM would not spend the money to re-work this engine into the car, nor would they have the time considering it will be produced in a few months. In all likelihood, GM will simply make comparable trim levels to the Cobalt line such as SE/GT/GTP(or GTX), with the LSJ being the top engine. If this car is starting production in June/July, GM would need to have a fully working prototype in a month, ready for SAE certification (costly). So, I don't anticipate GM throwing this engine into the car in the near future (2007 model year).

When you consider that the Cobalt and G4/G5's competition is now primarily the 197 HP Civic Si, 168 HP Mini Cooper S, 150 HP Focus ST, 160 HP Mazda 3, and a few others we still look pretty good with 205HP. Yes, there is a 300HP Dodge Caliber SRT-4 coming, but it will be priced at about $26,000 base (well out of the $20,490 range of the SS/SC). The new Mazda 3 with the 2.3 Turbo (from the AWD Mazda 6) will likely be more expensive like the Caliber as well. So, why would GM waste a whole bunch of money to make the car faster stock, when it is already the fastest car produced in it's class?

So, could GM put this engine in the Cobalt or G4/G5? Yes. Will they for the 2007 model year? Likely not IMO. I could see this happening in 2008 if they give the car a makeover, but not really before then. It may also be possible that the Cobalt and G4 may appear as next generation models in 2009 or soon after, and then the turbo will make an appearance. So, we will see in time.

So, you can see from the photos below, just how much more compact the LSJ is. The supercharger wraps around fron nicely, out of the way. The turbo can't be mounted like in the Cobalt, because the LSJ already sits against the firewall. There is no room for the turbo on the top left of the engine bay, unless they can mount it much lower than on the Solstice. Some major work would need to be done to put this into the car.

 

its just a manifold change to put the 2.0 turbo into the cobalt , the intercooler piping would be a given change

plus the LSJ has been marked for change any way , according to people ive talked with , and that was even said before they even came out

 

Not to mention , a Cobalt/ION(delta platform) engine bay is already plumbed for a Turbo and FMintercooler with a 2.0 shortblock and a 6 speed in a Opel/Holden/Vauxhal Astra VXR(delta platform) .

GM could easily do this "IF" they wanted to . I dont know how different the price structure between europe and the USA is but .....

Build a Vauxhal Astra VXR , with 240 hp eco , 6 speed trans ....add 19" wheels , navagation system with 7 speaker audio , Bi-Xenon adaptive headlights , 2 tone leather seats that "look" to blow our Recaro's outa this world and the price when converted to US funds is $24,700 on the sticker ......$20,800 Euro on theirs .

All this stuff already exists , GM could do a much better Cobalt/Pursuit/G4/G5 IF THEY CHOSE TO .

 

I live in NE Ohio where they make the Cobalts. The new Pontiac will be called the G5, and will replace the Persuit/G4 (supposedly) It's unclear if the G5 will replace the current models or the G5 is USA only. Its supposed to have different styling cues and the interior will definitely look different then the Cobalt. Not sure what all the specs are. GM Lordstown will build the Pontiac G5 in mid-June. They will start builing the coupes first and a GT version is expected. Its most likely going to be the same as the Cobalt SS (non S/C). with the 2.4L high output engine. The news has been all over this in NE Ohio, and execs at GM Lordstown said Pontiac has confirmed the G5 for 2007.

-Zach

 

hope they will replace the G4 and pursuits which i think they probably mite

 

Agreed, I just don't see this happening for the 2007 model year. More likely, the earliest will be 2008, but I guess time will tell!

I doubt we'd get 260HP. The more restricted piping alone would gaurantee some power loss. Maybe 230-240 HP, but who knows???

 

By that time chevy will be or should be putting significant effort into the Camaro. Just another aspect to think about.

 

lol.. that article is out of date...

I live in mexico and since december I have one of those

 

This will go great with my 2005 Grand Prix

 

I don't understand why people want a turbo in place of the supercharger . The primary reason I bought the car I did was because it is blown. If everyone wanted a domestic turbo then there are plenty of SRT's for sale. Look at the Saab 2.0 Turbo. Same motor as the LSJ for the most part and guess what...........a whopping 210 crank hp. Less than what we have. The new turbo ecotec may be more impressive but it doesn't take much to get us up to where it is. With stage 2 installed we should be pushin plenty more crank hp. I guess to each their own though.

 

They have changed the name of the Pursuit in Canada, for G5 Pursuit.......transition name

 

Well not everyone likes the styling of the SRT4 (I do though, I love how they look). So they get the ss/sc. A turbo will make more hp than a supercharger and a bit more torque too. I originally wanted an srt4 but got an amazing price on my SS. As soon as I put my intake on my car, I immediately fell in love with superchargers. I now think the whine from superchargers is better than having a "pshshshh" sound. But that's only my opinion.

 

Thats because they are using the series II and not the series III motors

 

There is no GXP per say , just a GTP . GM doesnt play like that anymore , plus the G6 GTP RIGHT NOW is already slower than the supercharged Cobalt . The GTP is still a higher class of car , hence its commanding price over a top of the line G5 or Cobalt .

 

Actually yes there is a GXP. Its a V8 Grand Prix. It came out in 05 I believe, but I think they stopped producing them

 

^^^ a G6 is what that was referenced to . The V8 GXP Grand Prix has been out since late 05 .

 

While there isn't a GXP G6 yet, there might be, remember the top trim used to be GTP, but now its GXP, so you can't rule out the possibility of a higher trim.

 

I got ya. I wasn't sure what you were refering to.

 

I realize that not everyone likes the SRT-4. I was just using that as an example. The market is flooded with turbo 4 bangers.......so pick whatever you like. I love blowers and there's no way that you could get me to turbo my car. I hate turbos and the "blowing through a straw" sound. I'm a truck driver and I have to hear that crap all day long. BOV's are so annoying I wanna shoot people that blow off at me. Hey, if a good ol roots style blower is good enough for 8,000+ HP top fuel dragsters.......then it's more than good enough for me.

 

With that mentality, why not pour in an alchohol methane mixture in your gas tank, its good for an extra 100 WHP. I swear.

The blower is only good for 8000 HP dragsters because the engines already make 5000, and it takes an addition 1000 just to turn the damn thing.

 

Incorrect........it takes closer to 1500 HP to turn them. I guess that's the penalty for moving an additional 3,000 cfm of air. Hey, if you like turbos, then I'll tell you the same.........go buy a car that came with one. This car is blown and I love it for that fact. Find me a turbo car in any class that can smoke a top fueler.....oops, wait, they don't exist. Sorry and thank you for playing