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Old Oct 27, 2005 | 11:38 PM
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2006 Eclipse vs 2005 SS/SC

I own a 2005 Cobalt SS/SC and I am very happy with the car. It's a blast to drive.

Previously, I test drove a few cars. One car that really stood out in my mind was the Eclipse GT (V6). It just seemed extremely quick and powerful.

The cobalt feels different, it's calm and well-behaved at low RPMS, but turns into a little monster past 4000 RPMs. So, is it the low-end torque in the elicpse that made it "feel" faster than the SS/SC? It pushes you back in the seat, the front lifts a bit and off you go! So, am I right to assume that the SS/SC relies on HP more than torque for speed and power?

Of course, I test drove the Eclipse GT first, and that can have a lasting impression. I only wish I had test drove an RSX-S, to see the difference between all three cars.

I believe there is a saying that you buy HP, but you feel torque? Does anybody wish to comment on this.

I googled the saying and got this:
http://forums.roadfly.com/cadillac/f...5163596-1.html
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Old Oct 27, 2005 | 11:42 PM
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Moved to general discussion.

what year eclipse GT did you test drive? One of the new ones ?
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Old Oct 27, 2005 | 11:43 PM
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heh, i miss the torque that left when my rsx was born...i sometimes look under the hood to see if it fell asleep

but the motor in my car as VERY alive once awake. i plan on test driving a cobalt soon though as im thinking about trading up.

oh yeah, the v6 eclipse is alot higher rated than the cobalt so you should definately feel a difference
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Old Oct 27, 2005 | 11:57 PM
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what year eclipse GT did you test drive? One of the new ones ?
It was a brand-spankin' new 2006 GT with about 8 km on the odo. Thanks for moving this to the appropriate forum... my bad.
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by groucho
I own a 2005 Cobalt SS/SC and I am very happy with the car. It's a blast to drive.

Previously, I test drove a few cars. One car that really stood out in my mind was the Eclipse GT (V6). It just seemed extremely quick and powerful.

The cobalt feels different, it's calm and well-behaved at low RPMS, but turns into a little monster past 4000 RPMs. So, is it the low-end torque in the elicpse that made it "feel" faster than the SS/SC? It pushes you back in the seat, the front lifts a bit and off you go! So, am I right to assume that the SS/SC relies on HP more than torque for speed and power?

Of course, I test drove the Eclipse GT first, and that can have a lasting impression. I only wish I had test drove an RSX-S, to see the difference between all three cars.

I believe there is a saying that you buy HP, but you feel torque? Does anybody wish to comment on this.

I googled the saying and got this:
http://forums.roadfly.com/cadillac/f...5163596-1.html
The SS S/C has more low end torque than most 4 bangers on the dyno charts.

It could have been the car. Mine sets me in the seat more than my mom's '03 Monte Carlo SS.

Form what I have heard the new Eclipse is kinda heavy on handling, but if you want 1/4 miles than probably the Eclipse.

I'm really happy with my SS S/C, it's a real blast to drive. Plus it cost less.

Either way both are cool cars. I would try the Eclipse GT and the SS S/C back to back, just to be sure. Happy driving.

P.S. Also look into insurance for both of them.
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:04 AM
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heh, i miss the torque that left when my rsx was born...i sometimes look under the hood to see if it fell asleep

but the motor in my car as VERY alive once awake. i plan on test driving a cobalt soon though as im thinking about trading up.

oh yeah, the v6 eclipse is alot higher rated than the cobalt so you should definately feel a difference
Ok, I knew I wasn't crazy about the torque. The Eclipse "felt" faster, but I'm presuming that it's just the low-end torque. I have to admit that I really liked the feeling. Maybe I'm a muscle-car guy afterall...

It was also a 6-speed, so the gearing is also a factor. Nice car, but they don't call it "Mitsu-fee-me" for nothing. Sticker was reasonable ($36,000) but they added another $4000 in fees and wanted to charge me 7% interest. I laughed and told them that I needed to go to the Infiniti dealership to price shop it with a new G35.
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:04 AM
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The 2006 Eclipse GT is suppose to make about 265hp. But the GT is like $28,000 to start. If I was spending $30,000 on a car I would buy a GTO instead of the Eclipse.
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CobaltSS422
The 2006 Eclipse GT is suppose to make about 265hp. But the GT is like $28,000 to start. If I was spending $30,000 on a car I would buy a GTO instead of the Eclipse.
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CobaltSS422
The 2006 Eclipse GT is suppose to make about 265hp. But the GT is like $28,000 to start. If I was spending $30,000 on a car I would buy a GTO instead of the Eclipse.
Amen...400 hp and 400 ft/tq

LS2 = infinite mods
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by CobaltSS422
The 2006 Eclipse GT is suppose to make about 265hp. But the GT is like $28,000 to start. If I was spending $30,000 on a car I would buy a GTO instead of the Eclipse.
Edmonton, AB (Alberta, not Alabama).

$36,000 + $4000 + 7% = Huge frickin' rip-off!

And we don't have the GTO in Canada.
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:20 AM
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we don't have the GTO in Canada.
I'm sorry for you and all other deprived Canadians.
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:24 AM
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i think that if cobra's were still in production, it would be a tough choice between the GTO and the snake (they cost about the same). I would take the snake though, cuz SVT kicks ass, and because the engine is hand built with a nearly indestructible bottom end.
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by groucho
Edmonton, AB (Alberta, not Alabama).

$36,000 + $4000 + 7% = Huge frickin' rip-off!

And we don't have the GTO in Canada.


I know you were talkin' canadian... your $36,000 + $4000 + 7% = $42,800 .. that equals $36,596.83 ... I didn't know that there were no GTO's in Canada

$36,596.83 for an Eclipse what a joke
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by phxSS
i think that if cobra's were still in production, it would be a tough choice between the GTO and the snake (they cost about the same). I would take the snake though, cuz SVT kicks ass, and because the engine is hand built with a nearly indestructible bottom end.
The new GTO's are ***** fast with the LS2 engine. Last year's GTO's don't even compare.. 350hp/350ft lbs. tq LS1.... LS2 = C6.. The Cobra and GTO would be an awesome race to see.. How about the Cadillac XLR.. That's a hot car!! Over the summer this guy pulled up next to me and the thing was LOUD as hell. and he took off.. Car sounded awesome as he passed me
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:32 AM
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I'm sorry for you and all other deprived Canadians.
Ahh, you are too kind.

Deprived, yes. I guess I'm just going to have to save up for a new Corvette to fill that hole in my life.
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:34 AM
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Ahh, you are too kind.

Deprived, yes. I guess I'm just going to have to save up for a new Corvette to fill that hole in my life.
Now that's the spirit!
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:39 AM
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Ahh, you are too kind.

Deprived, yes. I guess I'm just going to have to save up for a new Corvette to fill that hole in my life.

The new Corvettes are nice but to me i've always thought they were Mid-Life Crisis cars. I normally see older divorced men driving them
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 12:43 AM
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The new Corvettes are nice but to me i've always thought they were Mid-Life Crisis cars. I normally see older divorced men driving them
That shouldn't matter. It just means you are going to have one of the few Corvettes that actually get driven the way they are supposed to be driven.
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 01:27 AM
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The new GTO's are ***** fast with the LS2 engine. Last year's GTO's don't even compare.. 350hp/350ft lbs. tq LS1.... LS2 = C6.. The Cobra and GTO would be an awesome race to see.. How about the Cadillac XLR.. That's a hot car!! Over the summer this guy pulled up next to me and the thing was LOUD as hell. and he took off.. Car sounded awesome as he passed me

Terminator Cobra's trap anywhere from 110-112 bone stock. LS2 GTO's are around 106

Cobra's stomp on the LS2 GTO's.
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 01:35 AM
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Terminator Cobra's trap anywhere from 110-112 bone stock. LS2 GTO's are around 106

Cobra's stomp on the LS2 GTO's.
Not to mention Cobra's potential mods being already SC...
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 01:49 AM
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Yea too bad for you, no GTO's in canada. My brother has one that thing is awesome! I would've bought one if i only had the funds. And as for the bullet proof bottom end.... how 6 bolt mains sound?
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 02:14 AM
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I'll dig up my ""powered by svt" book, that talks about the details of the parts in the terminator 4.6
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 04:42 AM
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Okay maybe a lot of people like the new eclipse, but I think it's a horrible value. First off, its 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are both about 2 tenths of a second faster than a SS/SC. In other words, it's not really faster at all. Second, it starts at about $28,000 which puts it in a similar price range to not only the GTO and Mustang GT, but also its sister, the Evo! Now come on people, who can really say that they would take an Eclipse over the GTO, Mustang and Evo? Whenever I see someone driving the new Eclipse I just kinda shake my head and think to myself "dude, you got ripped off".
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 04:46 AM
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Are they really that expensive?...28K is about what a USED GTO would go for, don't forget new they sticker for 33K. The cobra argument ill save for a GTO thread, but they dont make them anymore so its a bit of a stupid question now isnt it if you want a NEW car.
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CobaltSS422
The new Corvettes are nice but to me i've always thought they were Mid-Life Crisis cars. I normally see older divorced men driving them
that's because they are the only ones who can afford them.
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