Those are some insanely expensive prices!

Since it was mentioned that the "most expensive car" placed 2nd, I just thought I'd mention that a few years ago I was shopping for a fwd car, and looked at RSXs, and some of the Type S models I looked at were stickering for nearly $26,000. That was in 2002. I believe that the WRX and the RSX are priced pretty closely together. However, I definitely find the WRX to be the better deal just because of the AWD, and the fact that it has a turbo, making it cheaper to modify.

Now, here in the States, an SRT-4 normally stickers between $21,000-$22,000, but keep in mind you can get a Stage 3 Chrysler setup for $4200 (plus install), which would put the SRT-4 at what I'll estimate to be around $26,000 out the door with a good deal after negotations. The Stage 3 setup makes 355hp/365 ftlbs tq on pump gas, I believe. That is a car that is easliy capable of mid 12s, especially considering the weight of around 2900lbs. Out of all the cars in the test, the SRT-4 undoubtedly has the most potential to go fast. They're fairly light, they're not anymore expensive than a Cobalt SS or Redline, and they respond very well to minor modifications. They also have very stout blocks, including such goodies as forged pistons, just to name one.

 

I think that was one of the most unbiased opinions on the website and would like to thank you for it. Even though you own an STI (If I could afford one thats what I would have got) and you placed the wrx 3rd very modest. Hope to see more posts from you on this forum.

 

Yes they are made from simliar parts, what I was getting at is that the SS performs better. As for performance between the SS and the SRT cars 0-60 is 1 aspect of peformance. You are forgetting that the cobalt has better handling better braking better slalom and so on. That is why I put the SS before the SRT, if all i cared about was 0-60 i would have bought the neon. By the way, ya everyone is biased but the whole point about discussing a topic is to see what everyone thinks.

 

I really think the WRX should be placed first. I'm really a troll. But first impressions are lasting ones.

J/K man. Thanks for the compliment. I'll stick around.

The STi is a great car. If the time comes when you're financially ready, I highly recommend one!

If this was 2002, and the SRT-4 and the Cobalt SS were out on the market at the time (when I bought my 2002 GTI neither of them were yet released) I would've had a hell of a time choosing between the two. I'm more of a "performance-oriented" guy than a "comfort-oriented" one.

At the time, the WRX was just released, it stickered at nearly $26,000, and for that money, I couldn't justify the cost. I would've just purchased a 2002 Z28, especially being the big Camaro fan that I am. However, I did need either a FWD or RWD car, as my Camaro seriously sucks in snow.

I just purchased my 2005 STi on 3/30/05, so it hasn't been around for a season of snow, but from what I hear, I will definitely need new tires. I'll be honest; the STi is NOT a cheap car to own.

 

Not sure about your "own" comment on "us". The WRX in stock isn't that impressive despite it having AWD. They are slow stock and I've beat quite a bit in the 1/4 stock for stock. Most owners run around mid 14's stock in a WRX while most of us SRT owners hit low 14's or high 13's stock.

Its funny to see some of you guys gloat over the fit anf finish of the Cobalt over the SRT4 but I have seen so many threads and problems arise from this so claimed "fit anf finish" than the Cobalt SS has. Poorly made seats, poor materials, whinging engine noises (not the S/C), leather coming from under the trim, plastic rattling, etc etc. I think some of you need to take a step back and realize these are all economy-budget oriented cars they are built on.

Sorry bro but a RSX-S isn't going to handle better than any ACR neon.

I think your dreaming if you think the Cobalt is a better bang for the buck than the Neon.


As for this article. Yes it was called "cheap speed". Did they give a fair comparisson to their title? No. If they were to retitle it "Iinterior racing 2005" then I could see how they placed them perspectively.

 

Ok, it's painfully obvious judging from the photo in your signature that you drive an SRT-4. I don't own either of them, so I'll just give an unbiased opinion.

The only thing the SRT-4 has going for it is the potential to be made pretty quick for pretty cheap. There's nothing else nice about it. Looks are subjective, but I don't find the Neon with its "Easter basket" wing on it to look good. It looks like something Little Red Riding Hood would carry while skipping to Grandma's house. And before you say anything about the STi, I already realize that it looks like a lovemaking session between a mailbox and a shopping cart gone wrong.

Every car rattles. My uncle's has a Buick that rattles. My mother has a Malibu that rattles. My father has a Bonneville that rattles. I have an STi that rattles. My wife has a Saturn that rattles. My brother has a Grand Prix that rattles. My cousin has an Evolution that rattles. A buddy of mine has a Mustang that rattles. Another buddy of mine has an SRT-4 that rattles, blah blah blah. I've been in Mercedes Benzes that rattle. Your point about rattling interiors is pointless.

Secondly, NOBODY is gloating over the fit and finish of the Cobalt SS. All that was said was the quality of the Cobalt was 10x's better than that of the Cavalier. Out of the bunch, the RSX and WRX have the highest quality interiors. Are the interiors that great in either the RSX or WRX? No, not really. But the trim pieces do match in color, and the parts fit together tightly. They're just simply the best interiors out of any of them in the test.

The overall quality of the Cobalt SS is simply better than that of the SRT-4. Deal with it. And I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Between the two of them, from nothing more than a performance aspect, I would choose the SRT-4, but if I wanted something that looks better and has a sporty demeanor, a good daily driver, and a kick to drive, I'd choose the Cobalt SS.

And I don't understand why everyone is concerned with what everyone else drives. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Why are you so worried about what Joe Schmoe drives, or if he likes his Cobalt SS better than your SRT-4? If he wanted an SRT-4, he could've gotten one. They're nearly the same price. You like your SRT-4, and he likes his Cobalt SS. To you, the SRT-4 was the better car. To him, it was the Cobalt SS.

Just be happy with your car. If all you're going to do is come over here and put down the Cobalt SS, criticize people, and tout off about your SRT-4, what is your motivation for being here? You don't see me bragging off about my STi (that was also made off the platform of the same economy car the WRX was), and I don't think anybody here would debate that a stock STi would hand a stock Cobalt SS its ass, but you don't see me touting off about the performance of the STi do you? No. You're sitting here telling everybody how great your SRT-4 is, but you don't see me bashing on you talking about how my STi would hand your SRT-4 its ass, do you? No. The automotive hobby would be a lot more pleasant for everyone if it weren't for people joining forums for no other reason but to toot their own horns. What is it you want? do you want all of the Cobalt SS owners here to kiss your ass and tell you how great your SRT-4 is, and what pieces of sh*t their Cobalts are?

Dude, get over yourself; you pimp a freakin' Neon.

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ok, so since I guess everyone else can voice their opinion BUT ME, I feel I must defend...

Actually, they were. Read the thread over again.

But to help ya:

gloat: intr.v. gloatˇed, gloatˇing, gloats
To feel or express great, often malicious, pleasure or self-satisfaction:

Example: Don't gloat over your rival's misfortune.

-dictionary.com


So by having color-matched interior pieces, that makes the interior better? Uh no. Last I checked only ricers colormatched their interiors but hey...you like that and to each their own right? If you think a WRX or STi interior is nice, than you are fooling yourself into a delusional hole. I used to do audio installation and the WRX and STi both share a very cheap interior, as do ALL of these card. But to say they hold a higher "quality" or even on par with the Honda is just a delusional lie to yourself. Subbies have never used what I consider "quality" materials.

bwhahah, keep lying to yourself and I'll keep reading the countless threads upon this mythical "quality" exists in all of these shitbucket economy cars.

Actually no. I came here to learn about the Cobalt. I'm not a troll. for the record i never once persoanlly attacked anyone UNLIKE what you just did but hey, I seem to find that type of ego here more and more in this forum. Where did I "put down" the SS? I clearly re-stated facts what has been stated by the cobalt owners here and on .com. I'm not making anything up, just regurgitating what everyone else who OWNS the Cobalt has seemed to say about the fit and finish or "quality" of this car. where am I "touting off" at anyone about my car? I'm stating facts. Not ricer magazine racing or compairing e-***** size. I have nothing to prove here but correct the misinformed and to put an end to any wrong info posted towards my car. I enjoy all of the cars listed in the comparisson. I used to own a teg before my SRT so if anyone was to be biased here, you'd think IF I were biased, it would be with both of those cars. Too bad thats NOT the case.


I don't "pimp" anything. Who talks like that? Are you "teh X" and gonna pimp mI ryd y0?

.....you drive a Impreza. Your point was? Both are POS economy cars. Your a ricer. Sounds like your the one that needs to get over themselves. Its almost as if your implying your superior somehow because I only drive a neon right?

Here's something to throw your "Its justa......." **** out the window you ricer.

 

ION / COBALT
0-60/ 6.0/ 6.1
5-60/ 6.3/ 6.5
0-100/ 15.6/ 15.3
0-120/ 24.2/ 25.1
30-50/9.9/10.8
50-70/8.9/9.8
1/4 mile 14.6@98/ 14.6@99
top speed/ 145mph/ 141mph
70-0/ 164feet/ 169feet
skidpad/0.85/0.86
autocross/ 40.86sec/ 40.96sec
lane change/ 67.2mph/ 64.8mph

apparently car and driver found the ION to perform better. which is the subject of this thread...

my point is that in overall performance, the ion and cobalt should be hand in hand. i could care less about creature comforts, and you can put it at the bottom of all other aspects, but in overall performance the ion and cobalt belong side by side.

 

I don't "pimp" anything. Who talks like that? Are you "teh X" and gonna pimp mI ryd y0?

.....you drive a Impreza. Your point was? Both are POS economy cars. Your a ricer.


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#1. Nobody has a problem with you voicing your opinion. The problem is with you tooting your own horn. Why are you so defensive because people enjoy their Cobalts more than they enjoy an SRT-4? I'm not over here trying to justify to everyone why the purchase of an STi is a wiser decision than the purchase of a Cobalt SS. To each his own. The people here wanted Cobalts.

#2. You really can't comment on Subaru build quality. All you've done is install radios. And there's more to it than color-matching interiors, but if that's what you choose to believe, by all means, do so. You're only trying to be argumentative now. Read again, and you'll see that not only did I say that the colors and materials matched, but they fit together well also. There aren't insane gaps between panels. Gaps are quality issues.

#3. You're here to learn about the Cobalt SS? Judging from your previous post, the only thing you're interested in doing is talking about how the SRT-4 is a better bargain, and that an RSX will never beat your "untouchable" SRT-4.

#4. Reread my post. I didn't tout off about the STi being anything more than a high performance Impreza.

#5. Explain to me how an STi is a "ricer," and your Neon isn't. Just because it isn't made by a Japanese manufacturer doesn't exclude a car from being "rice." For examples of what "ricers" are, you may want to refer to www.riceboypage.com or www.laughatrice.com.

#6. I never personally attacked anyone here either, including you, so I don't know where you get your information that I "attacked" you. I never implied to be "superior" because I drive an STi and you drive a Neon, but take it as you will. If you're going to come over here touting off about your SRT-4, and how great it is, you simply deserve a dose of your own medicine and arrogant attitude. I know plenty of people out there that have SRT-4s that are faster than STis, and vice-versa. I don't need any education from you. I'm not the one spouting off about how great I think my car is. Do I think the STi is a good car? Damned right I do. If I didn't, I wouldn't have purchased one. But that doesn't mean I'm going to put down everyone else because they don't share the same opinion, or make the same decision.

 

the comment on us is regarding the cobalt and RL, unfortunately some of the people here can't accept that it's essentially the same car, save for a few amenities. though where it matters, we've got the same damn seats.

my point was that the WRX owns from a dig if launched right, but we (cobalt and RL) will own it from a roll.

 

Finally!!! Somebody agrees with me!!!

 

I put my replies in red for you.

You see how you still think its somehow different? Pot...meet...Kettle. Why couldn't you of just said your Impreza to my neon, instead you say STi to my neon as in you think that its superior. You see or are you still clouded by your own narrowminded judgment?

I'll post this again incase you missed it the first time...



I never once acted arrogant you *******. Perhaps you judge people wrongfully. If my post came off like that, than I'm sorry. It wat not meant to come across like that. I simply reiiterated what Cobalt owners have complained about or posted factual info on something that was wrong. I've been in the cobalt community ever since the original forum was created BTW but you knew that and all right?....

I'm not trying to inform you about my car. You want to learn about, you can goto a website and research. Thats exactly what I'm doing here BTW incase that still is flying over your head.

arrgg...Again, I'm not either and my post doesn't reflect me acting like a ass like yourself. Get off my ******* ***** man. I never put anyoine down. All I did was post facts. if you don't like the truth than thats your problem. **** man, read my posts slower or without your monday blues.

 

Why ya so jacked up, dude? Relax. Nobody's acting like an ass here, or personally attacking you. As for your *****, you may want to discuss them with your boyfriend. I'm not interested in your *****.

It takes a lot of intelligence to cut & paste a post and comment on every line. Congratulations to you on your high level of intelligence.

Now, let's talk about "cut pile" carpet. That carpet is ONLY found in the STi. Neither the Impreza or WRX have "cut pile" carpets. In the STi there is also a lack of sound deadening material. Why? FOR WEIGHT SAVINGS. Are you going to call a Ferrari F40 "cheap" too? After all, their interiors are spartan at best, as far as creature comforts are concerned. They are build for one purpose, and on purpose only. In fact, Ferrari F40s don't even have carpets, nor do they have radios, or anything else. WHY? FOR WEIGHT SAVINGS. Again, yoiur argument holds no bearing, and is pointless.

As for your "ricer" comments, of course you're way off the mark (AGAIN). You really don't know what a "ricer" is, do you? My mentality is that of a "ricer?" That's the first time I've EVER heard that, and if I were such a "ricer," I wouldn't own a Camaro either, would I? Since you're so familiar with what a "ricer" mentality is, explain.

 

weak man weak.

copy/paste??? ....uhh ok

I had an answer for everyone of your stupid questions and you still can't swallow the fact that YOU were in the wrong for jumping on me. I mean, you spouted off something about intelligence. Isn't that what you wanted me to do.......answer your numbered questions? Now your hopelessly trying to save face by posting some random babble that has nothing to do with anything. Kudos

I do appreciate the carpet lesson though. That is news to me. Thanks for enlightning me. See, is that hard to do? To be nice and say thanks, I was wrong in a tactful way? But noooo.....you gotta try and show your ass here only to get put in place.

Man up and admit you shouldn't of jumped the gun on me like you did or are you too much of a ***** to admit when your wrong (which seems to be the case your displaying BTW).

On a side note, I can't help to see that you joined 2 days ago, yet your trying to come across like you've been here for years

 

Yep, I'm such a p*ssy, E-Thug. Are you gonna tell me you wanna fight me next? I can admit when I'm wrong, and I'm clearly not wrong that you're all worked up. That's ok, because trolls always get worked up when somebody disagrees with them.

More than likely, this forum wasn't here two years ago. And it surely doesn't appear that you "put me in my place." All you've proven is that you know how tough you are in front of your keyboard by calling names.

Cry on, E-Thug, cry on. Show everybody how tough you are by calling names like a schoolboy.

 

bwhahaha, again weak. And no, I'm not trying to sound ethug or whatever you are calling that. Why would I even say I'm going to beat your ass? Who does that ****? All over the internet? Please. I can see it now....[enter sarcasm]Yeah, i'm gonna drive my ass all over this country to find anyone that has ever been mean to me over the internet!! Whhhhaaaaa!!!!!one!!!!!!onetwo!!!!! I must cry now and go beat up those pesky internet bullies such as yourself. [/sarcasm]. OMG, man your pathetic if you think your somehow trying to get under my skin or **** me off. I'm just sitting back laughing my ass at your weak pathertic narrowminded posts. Keep posting, this is funny stuff haha.

Cliff notes for our posts:
-I replied to some incorrect posted information and shared my opinion
-youjumped the gun on me
-I called you out on it
-you stumbled and tripped over your own words, then gave me some questions
-I answered your lquestions and reitterated what I already said but in red this time
-you realized you have been called out and are now despirately persoanlly attacking me now ....once again


FYI, this site is not even a year old.

 

The video link is not responding for me is there any other place to watch this comparison or even read about it

 

Actually, I'm the one laughing. Why? Because you keep responding with stupid answers that have nothing to do with nothing. You should really go cool off and take a drive in your Neon before your shift at Burger King starts.

Now, before you make yourself look any less intelligent than you already have, this meeting is adjourned.

 

Thank you Mr.Trump.

This site and intelligence don't go hand and hand buddy.

 

Judging from your previous posts, that's quite clear. Thankfully, most of the other members I've been in contact with here are more intelligent.......

 

never said it was better than the acr srt-4. if you would have quoted my whole quote you would know that i was comparing it to the cobalt SS.

 

The RSX Type S has been known to handle better than a Neon ACR.

Is that your car in your sig? Pretty nice car.

 

i've never seen an acr or know any knowledge of one. i was told a while ago that they uped the suspension on it so i just assumed that it would outhandle the rsx-s.

yeah, that's my car in my sig. thanks.

 

No prob.

 

Sorry this is late been really busy.......I see your reasoning I had not read the actually article until today. I was using previous articles from various magizines and thats how I made my descion. I still personally think that an SS is better than a redline. If you read the article and compare it to consistant number from other sources the SS performs better in this instance it didnt. I was extremely pissed off reading their break down of the scoring even though some of the scoring is justified by the surprising performance of the type S. I am really dissappointed with car and driver they usually produce the bets stuff but this time around I think they dropped the ball.