A challenging question for the Turbo LSJ Gods
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OK.. i've been troubleshooting some very severe problems with my LSJ turbo setup for a month or two now..
To bring everyone up to speed this is what I have in the car:
-Custom Log Tubular intake manifold
-Custom exhaust manifold
-Custom aluminum turbo piping
-Tial wastegate
-[brand name here] blow off valve, (its a good brand, just cant remem name, turbo something)
-Garret GT3071R turbo
-Custom 3" downpipe
-3 inch exhaust
-Im running 17psi on stage one and 22psi on stage two with my dual stage boost controller
-Its tuned to 350hp approximately +/-15hp.
-The turbo has been freshly rebuilt with a new core because I thought the seals were screwed
What I have done to date:
-Compression test (165psi across the board)
-Leak down test (All cylinders except the second one from the passenger side were near the 20% leakdown) the second from the left was higher percentage but I think I may have done it inaccurately.
-My oil drain is as high as I can go in the oil pan, and its a 5/8" id hose I believe
-My feed line is from the back of the block (removed on of those studs in the back, closest to passenger side)
-Discovered that all spark plugs are soaked in oil or gas or mixture of both.
What I discovered today:
I know my tune is rich at idle and it has always smoked a blackish/white at idle until I got the car moving. When I installed all my piping and turbo back on I made sure all the piping was clean inside. Today I wanted to try something new, I unhooked the boost pipe from the turbo and started the car.... Long story short I found that there is definately oil coming out of the cold side of the turbo. Which means its also probably coming out of the hot side since its a freshly rebuilt turbo. So My suspicision is my problem has something to do with crankcase pressure or a shitty drain line. Oh and one other thing, the vent on the valve cover and front of the head are just vented to the atmosphere right now.
Questions I have:
1) What should I check next?
2) If a piston ring is shot (ie. 2nd one from passenger side) can this cause the crankcase to build up pressure and force oil through the turbo oil seals?
3) Can someone with a similar setup post some pictures of their oil drain and feed setup?
Besides that im all out of ideas.. My next step was going to be put in pistons and rings, but after discovering the oil in the turbo cold piping im stumped again!. PLEASE HELP, this is driving me nuts!
To bring everyone up to speed this is what I have in the car:
-Custom Log Tubular intake manifold
-Custom exhaust manifold
-Custom aluminum turbo piping
-Tial wastegate
-[brand name here] blow off valve, (its a good brand, just cant remem name, turbo something)
-Garret GT3071R turbo
-Custom 3" downpipe
-3 inch exhaust
-Im running 17psi on stage one and 22psi on stage two with my dual stage boost controller
-Its tuned to 350hp approximately +/-15hp.
-The turbo has been freshly rebuilt with a new core because I thought the seals were screwed
What I have done to date:
-Compression test (165psi across the board)
-Leak down test (All cylinders except the second one from the passenger side were near the 20% leakdown) the second from the left was higher percentage but I think I may have done it inaccurately.
-My oil drain is as high as I can go in the oil pan, and its a 5/8" id hose I believe
-My feed line is from the back of the block (removed on of those studs in the back, closest to passenger side)
-Discovered that all spark plugs are soaked in oil or gas or mixture of both.
What I discovered today:
I know my tune is rich at idle and it has always smoked a blackish/white at idle until I got the car moving. When I installed all my piping and turbo back on I made sure all the piping was clean inside. Today I wanted to try something new, I unhooked the boost pipe from the turbo and started the car.... Long story short I found that there is definately oil coming out of the cold side of the turbo. Which means its also probably coming out of the hot side since its a freshly rebuilt turbo. So My suspicision is my problem has something to do with crankcase pressure or a shitty drain line. Oh and one other thing, the vent on the valve cover and front of the head are just vented to the atmosphere right now.
Questions I have:
1) What should I check next?
2) If a piston ring is shot (ie. 2nd one from passenger side) can this cause the crankcase to build up pressure and force oil through the turbo oil seals?
3) Can someone with a similar setup post some pictures of their oil drain and feed setup?
Besides that im all out of ideas.. My next step was going to be put in pistons and rings, but after discovering the oil in the turbo cold piping im stumped again!. PLEASE HELP, this is driving me nuts!
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clears up for the most part when im at wide open throttle.. smoke only comes back when im at idle.
The leakdown tester I used wasnt 100% working properly.. I took the fact that it was consistant across all that it was good.
The leakdown tester I used wasnt 100% working properly.. I took the fact that it was consistant across all that it was good.
just throwing this out there but you could very possibly need rings. i too did both a compression and leakdown test and the numbers looked good. here is what my car did:
S7300785.mp4 video by venom0713 - Photobucket
and this is what the problem cylinder sparkplug looked like:

i dont have any pics of my setup but it sounds like it is just like yours. regardless though, when i replaced the rings, i no longer had that smoking issue.
S7300785.mp4 video by venom0713 - Photobucket
and this is what the problem cylinder sparkplug looked like:

i dont have any pics of my setup but it sounds like it is just like yours. regardless though, when i replaced the rings, i no longer had that smoking issue.
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venom, thats exactly what it looks like except mine has a ton of fuel in there too..which I know is due to my tune..
My spark plugs have way more oil on them but look very similar. But its all the spark plugs..
Roughly how much is this going to run me to change the rings and pistons out? Also if you did it by yourself, was it difficult? Is there a how to?
My spark plugs have way more oil on them but look very similar. But its all the spark plugs..
Roughly how much is this going to run me to change the rings and pistons out? Also if you did it by yourself, was it difficult? Is there a how to?
venom, thats exactly what it looks like except mine has a ton of fuel in there too..which I know is due to my tune..
My spark plugs have way more oil on them but look very similar. But its all the spark plugs..
Roughly how much is this going to run me to change the rings and pistons out? Also if you did it by yourself, was it difficult? Is there a how to?
My spark plugs have way more oil on them but look very similar. But its all the spark plugs..
Roughly how much is this going to run me to change the rings and pistons out? Also if you did it by yourself, was it difficult? Is there a how to?
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There is an oil restrictor on the turbo.. I should take it off and measure the size of it.. What size should it be??
The problem with my spark plugs is they are ALL covered in oil.. they dont necessarily have the deposits on the electrode like yours do..
The problem with my spark plugs is they are ALL covered in oil.. they dont necessarily have the deposits on the electrode like yours do..
yeah, i dont want to tell you to tear the motor down and replace stuff that might not need to be replaced. i just know that my issue was my rings werent installed correctly on one of my cylinders so i had to tear it down and replace them. *cough* Bates *cough*
How long have you been running rich and how rich is it? Do you have a wideband?
I ran pretty rich for a while and didn't wash out the walls on mine. You've gotta be dumping a **** load of fuel at idle to have washed it out, but that sounds like what you did if it's every cylinder...
I ran pretty rich for a while and didn't wash out the walls on mine. You've gotta be dumping a **** load of fuel at idle to have washed it out, but that sounds like what you did if it's every cylinder...
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