I know ya were dude. I was messin' around back.

Wow, that is actually a pretty ignorant statement. So if I had a loyal wife/girlfriend, and we decided to try something new, and do it in the back of a car, she is a club ****? Wow.

Or insanely fast by people doing it right, ever thought of that. I thinkt hey're a ton more efficient than the eaton blowers that are ont he ss/sc's that is for sure. They can probably get a lot more HP out fo their stock setup than the ss/sc can.

Wow, like someone said, slow is relative. So if you're SLOWER stock for stock, and someone mods theirs right along with you, you're saying they'd be slow? Wow. Mazdaspeed 3's run 13s, i'm SURE he can run 12s for cheaper than you will be. And the mazdaspeeds look just as good as the cobalts. And saying something looks 'gay' is a ignorant comment in itself.

MS6 has horrible gas mileage...the same engine....and is a twice as heavy than the MS3. A stock ss/sc can beat a MS6 I believe, not a MS3. MS3 looks a hell of a lot better than the MS6.

If you pulled up to a 'station wagon' and it beat the pants off fo you, and looks just as good....I don't thinky ou can beat that. In that case, the GTI is a station wagon as well. All hatchbacks would be. They're overpriced and the Sport model costs LESS than an SS/SC with 1 or 2 options on it?! I think not. The Si and the MS3 'sport' cost exactly the same amount. So you can pay 21-22K and have a 15 second car.....or pay 21-22K and have a 13 second car that would be lwoer on insurance and is rare and unique. No brainer.

You would get an Si and turbo it? I would get a MS3, put a few bolt ons on it, that cost less than the turbo kit,a nd still be faster.

 

LOL don't wanna read all 3 pages so I'm sorry if this has been asked... but I wanna hear what happened when the Honda guy told you the SS/SC was inferior to the SI, HAHA I wanna hear this sooo badly.

and Screw the ms3 or Si, get an EVO

 

Nope, hasn't been asked, you're the first. The EVO is kind of out of the price range.

Anywho, we were looking at the Si's and I asked, "How do these cars compare to the cobalt ss/sc's?" and he said, "Oh the Si and the cobalt are on two different levels. No comparisson.". Surprise I say, "What, are you serious? But you're right, the cobalt is on a different level than the civic. Civic is slow as hell." then he said, "Brotha man, thats a chevy. This car has higher resale value." I laughed, "Yeah, that maybe true, btu for the price, you think it would actually be fast." he said, "The civic si is faster than the cobalt ss." My eyes jumped out of my head, "MAN! What are you on?! The civic is a 15 second car! The cobalt runs 14's, for near the same price, and the cobalt looks a hell of a lot better." he says, "Speed is one dimensional man. The civic is a better value." I laugh and say, "Wow. Most people who buy the Si want it to be fast." then we go inside and then he brings me a civic Si booka nd he says, "Man do you know about the civic?" I say, "Yes, I do. It has 197 hp at the crank, thats liek 180 something to the wheels, and it has 137 pound feet fo torque,a nd it ha sa K20a engine." he retorts, "The civic is a 6 speed, the cobalt only has 5." I laugh and say, "Dude, The cobalt is fatser, and that 5th gear gets it to speed quicker. One less gear to shift when speeding down the track." then he looks at me and says, "Man, do you know how high Honda's sells are?" I then say, "Yes, not as high as GM's are. Okay dude, try to sell them the car. That is what you're here for." then he keeps trying to engage me in an argument and I keep telling him, "You're not talkng to me, you're trying to make them buy the civic si, so focus on them please." he gets pissed and eventually stops trying.

I loved that.

 

I would chose the MS3 over the civic Si. The Si just isn't that fast for the price.

I can't stand salesman that won't even give you a sec of their time unless your ready to buy NOW. "when are you thinking of buy... why don't you come back ready to buy and we'll talk..." WTF? Do they think were going to buy a car with out test driving first?

 

I want to know how Honda can get more HP at wheels than the crank... one would think it would be the other way around.

 

Hmmm. I am just trying to figure out why we are discussing whether to buy a honda or a mazda on a CHEVY forum. Maybe you should get a, um, what was it? oh ya! a COBALT! I am not a fan of the mazda or the honda. the mazda is ass ugly and not known to be the most reliable and the honda is...well...its a damn honda. I think you should tell honda and mazda to keep their cars and show a little pride and buy the Cobalt SS. Its a great car and I wouldn't trade mine for anything that honda or mazda build.

 

ms3


si- is so ugly inside

 

HAHA I want to see the look on that guy's face soooo bad! But way to tell him off!

P.S. why don't you consider a used EVO?

 

^yep...pretty much all salesmen are like that...they don't know **** about what they are talking about and they make **** up all the time. "oh we sold three of those today." yeah right, considering you only have one on the lot. i swear to god, how hard is it to be a cars salesman and actually know your **** about the car you are selling. it is their only job...set cars. KNOW YOUR ****.


i'd go for the mazda 3!

 

MS3 no contest. I raced a STOCK MS6 at the track and he ran a 13.9. I botched the launch then missed second and ran a 13.3....

The same engine is in the MS3 with ALOT less weight. Unfortunately its not AWD like the MS6 is but since you are comparing two FWD cars it doesnt really matter too much.

Regardless there will always be ALOT more potential in a low compression forced induction car then a high compression N/A car. Dollar for dollar you'll be faster then the Civic. Think about it, I think I paid 699 for the 18G turbo on my car, how much does a Turbo kit cost? Thousands? Then they can only run a few PSI of boost or the car will detonate like a ****. And Civics that are faster are RARE and you'll unlikely never encounter one on the street.

Mazdaspeed 3 is the way to go if you are looking for a fast compact.

 

We have a MazdaSpeed 3 here, and just with the Mazda intake and Mazda Exhaust the car has over 300 flywheel hp they claim. Stock HP is 267 HP and i think it runs 15.3 PSI boost stock, connected to a 6 speed manual makes for A LOT of fun.

IMO it handles about the same as the SS/SC cobalt, but is MUCH faster.

Also Mazda states they will only make 4,000 MazdaSpeed 3's in 2007 which will make it a rare car, there are not any on the dealers lots around here, and there is a waiting list for them.

 

Re-read my post. I said it right the first time. 197 at the crank, 180 somethign to the wheels...137 crank torque.

Uhm, people ask about other cars on here all the time. You act like everyone is a chevy **** around here. And what is wrong with Honda's? They're good cars with a BIG aftermarket. What 'pride' are you talking about? He is a car enthusiast and can appreciate mroe than one make of car. He likes the ss/sc a bunch, but it is not somethign he wants, seeing as it IS being axed and all. I don't think he asked 'honda, mazda, or chevy?' I believe there were ONLY two choices.

 

get the ms3 or a ss/sc

 

Damn you got home fast!!!!!

 

When it runs side by side with a new Toyota Camery?

A low 14 sec car will probably seem quick to people that drive your regular 15~16 sec family sedans or gas savers. I wouldn't say it's slow, but it's not 'fast' IMO.

 

I just find it ironic finding this dicussion on a chevy forum...exactly what i said. i dont assume that everyone here is a "chevy ****" like myself, but there are a lot of people on here that are very proud of their cobalts, myself included. i would rather see someone buy a GM or any american car for that matter before buying an import. that is the pride i am talking about. is that so strange?

 

i see what you are saying, and i think thats sad, dont you? hardly anything is made in america anymore because we have sold our souls to whoever can make our stuff the cheapest, thats sad. i am not trying to start a war over this. the point is why not buy an american car? you are reading too much into my comments. lets get back on the original topic shall we?

 

i did not say they werent "free" to buy an import. whats up your ass? imports and chinese-made textiles do not make america free. did i say something to personally offend you or are you just being an ass? can we drop this **** now? goddamn!

 

so true. slave labour and sweatshops set us free.


LOL.

 

ms3 cause first off its faster and second i'd take the direct injection turbo's low end torque over the high revving honda any day, my personal preference, once you drive a car with lower end torque for a while you fall in love with it, my last car 5-speed maxima has much less peak torque than the cobalt but b/c it peaks at a lower RPM it feels much more torquey.

 

you won't get as much attention in a mazdaspeed 3. really, it's essentially a station wagon.

 

Horsepower in and of itself does not make a car "fast". Never did.

What makes a car "fast" is a combination of hp/weight/gearing, etc.

Taking the above as fact (which it is), the Ms3 and the SS/SC are virtually identical in performance. Not much difference at all between them.

To keep things on a level playing field (cars being driven on the same day, by the same drivers, on the same track, under the same weather conditions) I refer to the following test by C&D:

SS/SC
BASE PRICE: $21,540
0-to-60-mph time: 6.1 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.6 sec @ 99 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 169 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g

Ms3
Base price: $22,835
0-to-60-mph time: 5.8 sec
Quarter-mile time: 14.4 sec @ 99 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 167 ft
Roadholding, 200-ft-dia skidpad: 0.87 g

That my friends ... is a wash.

And all this, not even taking into account that my SS/SC costs $1,300 less, and I also got a rebate of $2500 from GM which then makes the Ms3 $3,800 more expensive than our equally performing SC.

So any increased depreciation that the SC might take has been already been addressed in my $3,800 of initial savings.

Them is the facts. And that's why I walked out of the Mazda dealer ...

 

He didnt say it got him a better vehicle.
but it did get him the better DEAL.

and we all know magazine times are a waste of ink.
give the MS3 a few more months to get some decent proven stock times down, and then we will see.
as of yet (i havent looked much) but i havent seen any MS3s in the 13s stock.

 

first one says nothing about mods/stock
not to mention its in australia, Ill go look, but it may be slightly different to our MS3 here.

the third one is definately not stock
after reading the MS3 forums....apparently the fastest stock time they talk about there is a guy who ran a 13.9, but he had some form of airbox mod.
most of them are running 14.3+ very similar times to the cobalt.


some digging:

Priced from $39,990 AUS
OUCH!!!!

 

You are making it sound like most owners of stock SS/SCs are running 14.3+ as a norm. IMO that's not the case! I'd say the norm is 14.8+!