Well...GM had better consider a turbo'ed, higher end version of the SS Cobalt...

MotorTrend has a review of the new MazdaSpeed3...and it outperforms the SS/SC, and has a 6sp...looks like they will only import 5000 of them, so pricing will probably be sticker or higher.

The SRT4 Caliber will probably outperform the SS/SC...

The Volkswagon GTI comes close, probably a better suspension....

Honda's keep getting better reviews...regardless of performance differences....

2008 Mishubishi Lancer Evo Coupe (shared parts with Caliber) will be coming....(no idea on price)
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...leId=100564097

Hopefully GM is watching...

 

That's what moding is for my friend. A simple stage kit will push the ss/sc past all of those.

 

to be honest i doubt GM cares.
every single ss/sc on the lots is snapped up within a week. or shipped off to another dealer somewhere who wants one.

GM cant keep up. they are loving it.

If you want no torque but a "civilized" ride and a nice interior. buy the honda
If you want a nice interior and a hatchback with quality VW engineering, buy the GTI
If you want the ugliest pig fridge on the road with 300hp in a FWD....buy the caliber.
If you want a rotary that you will take to the shop on weekly visits. buy the Mazda.

They will all have thier pros and cons.
but the ss/sc still has the bang for the buck on every single car in that list.
and out performs alot of them.


GM cares about people buying their vehicles.
and people are buying the ss/sc faster than they are making them.


thats the bottom line for them im sure.

 

lame, i coudnt care less if another car out performs mine,
i just care about how my car performs and that makes me happy.

 

i have looked at that mazda and its ugly as hell. i havent looked at the track times or anything, but im sure it can be taken out easily, as stated above.

 

so where is the info about the mazda3 beating the ss? the link goes to a page about the evo

 

As a former owner of a few high performance rotaries, both N/A and turbo'd the statement about taking them to the shop all the time is false. People that don't change the oil when needed or have ANY clue how to tune are the ones with prob's with the rotaries. I had a 81 RX7 that was capable of making power all the way up to and past 10k RPM's and a Turbo Rotary that was street driven making just over 400 horses at the wheels. I have never had any probs with any of these cars except for the crappy gas milage. So generalizations based on rumor and speculation aren't reason to post uneducated information on a vehicle you might no nothing about. Just my 2 cents!

 

too bad the mazdaspeed isnt a rotary.. 2.3L direct injection turbo

 

come on where is the info?

 

to the thread starter

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90% of the cars listed in the first post will not beat a SS/SC.

The Caliber SRT-4 will be a joke.

 

sport compact car just did a test on the mazdaspeed3, and while they couldnt release performance #'s, and i forget the EXACT power #'s, it starts at approx 22,400 and they were VERY impressed with the car. i got the magazine at home

 

The Caliber SRT is going to have 300hp but it's going to wheel hop like a son of a bitch. Its probably going to be pretty fat too because the base is around 3100lbs (so maybe around 3200lbs or so). Also, the ride height is not going to help with cornering at all. Therefore, it will fit right in with the rest of the SRT lineup, cars that go fast in a straight line but can't stop or turn worth a crap. Also, it looks like a big turd and is still a Dodge.

 

**** that must be a lot of people that have problems then. Because I'm pretty sure the majority of rx-8 owners do not know how to "tune" there car.

 

Some info on this article was already posted here.

 

Idiot. The evo is on a completely different level than the ss/sc. They are not looking to compete w/ us. A 300hp AWD and a 205hp FWD should not be in competition.

GM doesn't care. They're making enough money off of these cars as it is.

 

In my opinion, if GM's intention was to build an Evo and STi beater, they would have done so.

 

wheres my 2 cents. i bought my car because of the looks and power. just because somethings faster dosent mean crap. because look at some of thoughts cars they my be faster but there but there ugly. buy stage kits and that will solve ur problems or add zex thats what i did

 

Where does it say the Evo is going to be a coupe? Also sharing parts with Chrysler is never a good thing! As for the rest you mentioned, I'm not sweeting it one little bit. I bought my Cobalt because of my styling needs. I am not a sedan fan and I really dislike stationwagons or flatback hatches!

 

the new mazda speed weighs 3123...same as srt and has lik 40 less hp...srt>ms3

and all srt models post higher skidpad numbers than a ss/sc or redline stock for stock...like the article i posted in another thread of the srt-8 charger 1.4 sec behind a new m5 on the same road course on the same road

Dan

 

the styling is what i love about our cars not just performance

 

http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?O...7-c589c01ca7bf

 

ok well two of the mentioned competition are AWD the mazda speed cars are turbo AWD along with the srt4. as for them being competition i dont see it being any diferent that what is already around. it just means more fun for me.

the mazda speed car are pretty sweet I'll give them that. I dont think they're rotary just the RX8 is.

as for honda I dont really know but a stock gti to stock ss/sc is not as close as you think. maybe on paper but hit the track and you'll see a world of difference. I know I have friends at the dub dealership.

 

aye. while the ss/sc is underrated....that doesnt seem to be a trend with other cars in the similar class.....
i know the srt was slightly underrated too.
but if anything the gti and civic are a tad generous.
at least thats what it felt like when my first ever kill was a GTI who punched it about 2 seconds before me and i put about 2 cars on him through 1 gear.

nice car. sounded good. but its another one for our rear view mirror IMO

 

fyi caliber comes with AWD. It still is ugly IMO