Anyone find it odd that the G5 does not get the 2.0 S/C?

2 model years so far and no S/C....it would be an easy thing to do..makes one wonder why--espeically since it s Pontiac---it should at least match Chevy for power.

Reminds me of the thread where some one was claming the S/C is gone for 08 and the 2.4L SS will be top for that year (or at least part of the year)

I am lloking for ward tot he 2008s to see what will happen. I am still predicting no changes. (maybe paint, few options ect---very minor stuff)

 

Yeah I did kinda wanted the G5 instead of the Cobalt, but Chevy had the Chevy my way program for $1000 free accessories. I like the grill of the 5, but the tail lights of the '07'Balt. But there has always been better aftermarket support for Chevy and always will.

The reason that Pontiac isn't going to put money any more money into the G5 is because they want to be all Rear wheel drive by 2010. Which means they are probably going to make a new block for the G5 or use the Solstice setup. They are also getting rid of any vehicle that isn't car based. Then they're making the new GTO (not necessarily with that name, could be new F'bird) and Grand prix in '09, with possibly a third new vehicle based on a car from Aussie, oh what a linup they will have.

I know my poncho's!

 

I think its rediculous that its practically the same looking car

 

The G5 is temporary US model ...2008 is supposed to the last year for it . By 2009-10 Pontiac should be a pretty radial departure from it current models . Think lower volume more niche oriented cars , and RWD . The next G6 is supposed to be going on the new upcoming small RWD ecotec platform . Between that and Solstice coupe = no need for Cobalt type Pontiac car .

Archie- Im pretty sure Pontiac is shacked up with Holden for a 6 year deal on the imported Commodore ( G8 ) since Holden can build the volume Pontiac wanted . Denny Mooney and Bob Lutz separately touched on that subject in press interviews during the autoshows . I dont really look for that to change as the volume of Pontiac was pretty important to keep the Commodore financially viable .

 

Not to argue with ya but:

1. How will a LOWER volume divison be good for GM??


Trust me thats not the goal.

2. Ecotec is an engine NOT platorm. FYI--G5/Coblat are on Astra, G6 on Epsilon.

3. Solstice is 2 seat convertible--no coupe in sight. I beleive Pontiac does need a compact

Are you speaking from Motor Treand article stating that Pontiac is going all RWD? M/t has notoriously bad info---I have not heard this anyhwere else.

I was not aware the Torrent is being cancelled.

Grand Prix---well the G8 is what you mean I think. Grand Prix is on the W-body--that and the FWD Impala are not going to be around much longer.

 

thats what they told me. there going to take the Solstice and put the G5 body on it

 

Yeah Grand prix, G8, commodore, 4 door GTO, same thing.

My info was actually a conversation with Bob Lutz about 6 months ago, don't know if they changed what they were gonna do, but that was the plan then. I'll look for a link.

 

1)The stated goal all along was to move Pontiac into a high profit , low volume division of RWD cars . What GM doent need is all their brands to be clones of one another liek they have been in the past . I think they already proved thats not the way to go . GM only intends for Cadillac , Chevy and to a lesser extent Saturn to be FULL line high volume sales division , with Buick , Pontiac , Saab being high profit low volume niche divisions . This has been known for quite sometime now and is not rumors ect. , its out of the mouths of GM .

2) You misunderstood . The small RWD platform coming to be used by Holden , Pontiac and Cadillac will use only the Ecotec engine variations . I didnt mean ecotec as a platform itself . This chassis is based on the Holden Torana show car of a few years back .

3) Bob Lutz has publically stated one was coming .

Archie - The new Commodore news came out around the timeframe of press week at the Chicago Autoshow , So the 1st week of February .

 

Reports from GM/Lutz have said that Pontiac is going RWD, and there have been rumors that the G5 is going to be replaced by a much different car. The G5 was a quick fix because Pontiac cried out "we dont have a compact car!" since both the sunfire and grand am went byebye.

How can pontiac being a niche market be good? Well, first, it gives them exclusivity. How many performance RWD cars are out there now? Maybe 1 or 2 per car division. If they make great looking cars which are high performance, people will look for them. That's what Pontiac used to be. Espcially with the muscle car revival lately, that's a great thing for them.

 

I know that, 6 months ago was when they announced all RWD and all Cars for Pontiac. Haven't you heard how bad the torrent and vibe are selling?

 

I couldn't agree more--I saw my first G5 the other day, and it looked exactly like my SS/SC with different grille and taillights...i was like.. WTF is pontiac doing?? i used to HATE how the Taurus/Sable looked too alike, and how the Camaros/Firebirds from the 80s looked too much alike--but I guess they'll do whatever works, right?

 

The G5 won't get the LSJ because it is in an "SS" Chevy wont allow the pontiac version of thier "SS" to be as fast. Just like the talks of a CTS-V with the new Z06 motor, not gonna happen because nothing Gm makes can be as fast as the flagship.

 

Unless Pontiac does what they did in the late 50's and 60's where they start understating their hp, torque, and quarter times.

 

They dont do stuff like that anymore . The Lack of the 2.0 SC engine is purely because the US G5 is a stop gap car . And btw , the last CTV-v used a Z06 engine in its first year before it went to the same output LS2 . The new V will be sharing with the Z again , in this case a supercharged 6.2 .

 

Anyways here is a link http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=115566

It doesn't have what Bob Lutz said in person, but gives the same info I just wrote at the top of the thread. I'll keep looking for the real interview.

 

if pontiac makes a rwd G5 with a I4 for under 22,000 and turbocharged by 2010 id be very astonished. and happy cause id go buy one of those ina heartbeat. right now pontiacs remaking the brand with all the new models. cant wait to see what comes out.

 

The G5 is not a stop gap car it has been out in Canada for as long as the Cobalt and wont be going anywhere untill the Cobalt goes too!
And what I ment was the CTS-V will not get the 2006 Z06 motor untill Gm makes a new
Z06. Why would they make the Z06 then take the famed motor and put it in a Cadilac with a far less price tag.
If you are right then why doesn't the Trailblazer SS have the Z06 motor or the Envoy either? Because It only goes in the BEST!
No offense G5 owners or 2.2 Cobalt owners but Chevy made the 2005 Cobalt (first year)an SS/SC first.
Then stripped it down to make it cheaper then desided to make a G5 (Pursuit).

 

this is exaxctly right,it will be the g4

 

will it still be a 5 seater? and is it gonna truly look like a coupe or just a stretched solstace

 

Yeah the Torana--the name slipped me.

http://cheersandgears.com/forums/ind...opic=15616&hl=

Can you offer any kind of source on where it says GM wants Pontaic to be lower volume, higher profit?

Of course GM would like every divison to be higher profit...but the lower volume makes no sense to me. They would be hurting Pontaic dealers.

I serioulsy hope we never see a 4cly Cadillac again.

I am close to betting you real cash that there will be nore RWD compact of the Kapa Chasiss.

Anyhow--good discussion.

 

Also note I how I keep saying in the US when pertaing to the G5 I have no clue the plans for Pontiac of canada with the G4/G5 .

No other model will ever get the 7.0 LS7 . As soon as the new gen NA and SC'ed 6.2's arrive around the 08-09 timeframe the LS7 is a piece of history .

That one was a stretch GM "could have" made the TB SS more directly compete with the SRT-8 Cherokee , but they choose not to for more of a affordable all around package . Not alot was invested in the trailblazer SS because its sales are declining more and more per year , and it too will be killed after the current model runs if life cycle . The combination of the Theata SUV's ( Vue , Equinox and Torrent ) and Lambda crossovers( Arcadia, Outlook and Enclave ...chevy is getting one too ) are replacing both the minivans and the truckbased midsize SUV's( Trailblazer and envoy) .

The Pontiac Pursuit came first in 2004 , then the 2005 sedan was second , then base model coupes . The SS/SC was the last model to get to market in the US . Your logic is a little backwards , the SS/SC package were based around modifications to the base car , not vice versa .

 

Looks and the fact that they are basically the same car really don't effect the fact that it's not supercharged..

What is really confusing is that GM always talks about how Pontiac is their "sport/performance" brand, and yet the G5 does not have the SC option. Now that is mind boggling.

 

Torana is based from , but is not the actual Kappa chassis ...per sey . If I remember right the new chassis name is gamma .

If I have some time I will go back thru some press stuff on the GM divisions future . It is 100% part the GM goal to downsize models and overlap and create a higher profit margin and specific branding . In Pontiacs case , outside of the Solstice ....pontiac is nothing more than rebage division . Why have several LOW or NO profit overlapping divisions , when you can have 3 core brands that offer something for everyone and use the rest to focus on specific markets with highly desireable , high content focused models . Thats the basic jist . Because of that logic , its gonna SAVE pontiac , not hurt it ...pontiacs will be performance cars again . Not ho-hum sedans for the masses .

 

Firebird is absolutely, undeniabily, without a doubt DEAD for the forseeable future. GTO will replace the bird as Camaro's sister car.

If you don't beleive me, (not saying you don't) then think about it like this. The GTO will share the same platform with the new camaro, same engine, but be slighty more upscale and be slightly more pricier so Firebird's role is already taken.

Now with pontiacs lineup being reduced and streamlined, do you honestly think that they would allow ANOTHER rwd V8 pony car in?

Remember, the 4th gen Camaro's may have sold moderately bad, but the 4th gen firebirds sold TERRIBLY. And on top of that they cannibalized each others sales.

 

i as well wish they came with a sc option, but either way im happy with my car, i'll just supercharge this one LOL