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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 02:05 AM
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I had heard of this from my brother that is taking classes for collision repair. Your pcm takes a snapshot of the info at the moment of impact. All cars have had it since OBDII started is what he said
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobalt_Daddy
Onstar can do that which is one of many reasons why i had it disabled.
lol they can still shut your car off even if onstar is disabled. Oh and yes as everyone has been saying these aren't new they have been around for quite some time.
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Stamina
Pull Onstar fuse. /Onstar

It records it in a <30 second loop and when the car hits something and/or airbags deploy then the last information that's naturally available on the loop is also the information leading up to the crash.

It's right in the Owners Manual. They call it the Event Data Recorder ("EDR"). It's on page 7-17 in my manual.

It says right there in the manual that it monitors:
oh its only around 30 seconds? i thought at first that like insurance companys can see EVERYTHING like for the hundereds of times my cars been above the speed limit.

and wheres this fuse?
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 02:21 PM
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You can unplug the OnStar in the vehicle but it will kill the OBDII socket as well.
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by riceburner
oh its only around 30 seconds? i thought at first that like insurance companys can see EVERYTHING like for the hundereds of times my cars been above the speed limit.

and wheres this fuse?
The insurance ones like progressives plug in thing aren't the same thing as your cars black box although they probably record the same info. OEM doesn't care about what you were doing except immediately before and during the crash which is why it only records a few seconds. Insurance does since reckless behavior doesn't always cause an accident.
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 1AJeremyD
You can unplug the OnStar in the vehicle but it will kill the OBDII socket as well.
Is this a proven fact or just a wild guess?
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by riceburner
oh its only around 30 seconds? i thought at first that like insurance companys can see EVERYTHING like for the hundereds of times my cars been above the speed limit.

and wheres this fuse?
Brace for it... Sitting down? Okay...

In the fuse box.


Being a jackass today aside, it's in the interior fusebox, so not the one under the hood. If you're a passenger sitting in the front passenger seat, this one is the one that's behind the panel to the left of where your left shin would be. It's fuse #24, according the the manual for my '09. There should be a a fuse map on the fuse cover as well though.
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 03:48 PM
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Well when I went to NJ to do some tuning for some people, one of the guys decided to disconnect his OnStar and we couldn't connect to it through the OBDII port through HPtuners and he had issues connecting with a reader previously. Plugged the OnStar connection into the box behind the rear deck panel and we had power going to the HPtuners again. So its proven, not a wild guess.
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 1AJeremyD
You can unplug the OnStar in the vehicle but it will kill the OBDII socket as well.
Originally Posted by serega12
Is this a proven fact or just a wild guess?
There are issues that arise from disconnecting the GMLAN wires (car modules won't be able to talk to each other), but this is the first I've ever heard of this, especially since some cars don't have it and others have added it.

I do know that OnStar can't retrieve some information from the car when I have my Dashdaq plugged into the OBDII though.
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 1AJeremyD
Well when I went to NJ to do some tuning for some people, one of the guys decided to disconnect his OnStar and we couldn't connect to it through the OBDII port through HPtuners and he had issues connecting with a reader previously. Plugged the OnStar connection into the box behind the rear deck panel and we had power going to the HPtuners again. So its proven, not a wild guess.
Interesting. It must be due to something other than the GMLAN then, as I'm not seeing OnStar anywhere on the GMLAN wiring schematic for the OBDII port.

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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 04:01 PM
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they used the black box info after a kid i went to hs with killed two girls when he crashed after hitting a deer. he said he wasnt speeding and tried to brake but lost control. the black box said he was going 70+ and the brakes were never applied
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 08:32 PM
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they used the black box info after a kid i went to hs with killed two girls when he crashed after hitting a deer. he said he wasnt speeding and tried to brake but lost control. the black box said he was going 70+ and the brakes were never applied
is he doing time?
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 08:41 PM
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lol had dealer tell me once that i was doing 120mph when it threw a code. when i was only acceling on to a highway in second
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by serega12
is he doing time?
he got off of the manslaughter charges. but got charged with some other stuff and i heard the parents were gonna file unlawful death in civil court.

one of the girls lived another week on life support but died when they took her off. so im sure that wasnt cheap. let me find the articles
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by occsdude
he got off of the manslaughter charges. but got charged with some other stuff and i heard the parents were gonna file unlawful death in civil court.

one of the girls lived another week on life support but died when they took her off. so im sure that wasnt cheap. let me find the articles
That sucks.
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 08:53 PM
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here is a video. i was a little off with the info but its been a while. i live like 4 miles where this happened and the house they were coming from is off the road i live on.
i knew one of the girls that died's sisters, but had never met her.

personally i had never heard of the "hill hopping" and i have been on that road several times and know numerous people that live on that road.

i do remember he wasnt charged with man slaughter
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackLsCoupe
lol had dealer tell me once that i was doing 120mph when it threw a code. when i was only acceling on to a highway in second
Legally, they shouldn't care... you're not going to give a dealer an infraction if their front lawn is outside of the city regulations because the grass is 3/4" too tall, would you? No, you're not a city official.

So, even if you DID go 120 MPH, it shouldn't matter since they're only GM techs, not state patrol.
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by serega12
Legally, they shouldn't care... you're not going to give a dealer an infraction if their front lawn is outside of the city regulations because the grass is 3/4" too tall, would you? No, you're not a city official.

So, even if you DID go 120 MPH, it shouldn't matter since they're only GM techs, not state patrol.
this dealer was trying anything to get my warrenty canceled. only time the cars hit that was at drag strip
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackLsCoupe
this dealer was trying anything to get my warrenty canceled. only time the cars hit that was at drag strip
Good thing he didn't know that. According to the warranty booklet (at least for the extended warranty) racing voids it (or actually any damage caused by it, but they can argue their point that it did, directly or indirectly)
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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 11:14 PM
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The ******* should of gotten life without parole
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStang
The ******* should of gotten life without parole
apparently NONE of them were buckled up. Can't blame just the driver. Chances are, if any of them had any common sense/clear thinking, someone would call it a bad idea or simply not go...

Can't blame it all on the driver.
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 09:05 PM
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so note to self, smash ecu in event of an accident im responsible for
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 09:29 PM
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so note to self, smash ecu in event of an accident im responsible for
Yeah that's pretty much what I got out of it too lol
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