Was at a very reputable dealership yesterday seeing what SS's they had and got into a good talk with the sales rep and the manager about some GM Tuning options and the manager said to me "if your serious about tuning one and can wait until mid/late 06 the 07 models will be turbos with alot of GM performance tuning options that will make the current SRT4 OEM Tuning programs look weak!"

This guy full of ****, or anyone else hear something along the same lines?

 

They have a 2.0 Ecotec Turbo in the Soltice I think, but thats not a production model, also remember all the Saab Turbos are also ecotecs. GM does make a turbo ecotecs.

 

yeah.. Saab turbos work in most engines, I know they work in Saturns.. and the turbo one wont be out til '07.. they'll be making automatic with turbos

 

I'll believe it when I see it. The dealers seem the last to know everything. Sometimes the cars will be on the streets and they still don't know what they're talking about!

However, I did read on AutoBlog that the Soltice GXP is in testing right now with a (approximately) 240 hp turbocharged ecotec. And that car only weights ~2800 lbs.

 

That's true. Dealerships never know. Put it this way, the people who work there (other than mechanics) aren't interested in cars, they only know what the window sticker or brochure says.

I was reading some where that the turbo Solstice GXP/Sky Redline will be a 1.something motor. Not a 2.0. But don't get your hopes up on a turbo Cobalt. Like ssstraub said, I'll believe it when I see it...

 

Well lemme correct myself, the Sky Redline is a 2.0L ecotec turbo

 

I was doing some work at a Chevy dealership in Orlando FL., asked them if they had any SS/SC's since I was curious what they'd be selling theirs for. I believe the contact for the work I was doing was the sales manager, and he said that there aren't any SS/SC's in Florida yet, that they were just beginning to come off the assembly line. Then, after I informed him that I have had one since the first week of April (built in February), he just kinda stood there looking all confused and asked me if I was sure it was an SS/SC.

 

LOL man you guys are all about bashing dealerships and their employees. I work at a dealership, I love cars, my co workers are all very interested in cars. Most of us are very educated on our product line as well.

 

The Solstice GT! not GXP, will feature a TC, whether this will transfer back into the SS is yet to be determined.

 

since when is saab and chevy related
saab is subaru, and i dont think the 9-2x Aero (WRX clone), is an ecotech engine

 

GM owns about 20% of Subaru and 100% of Saab. That is why Saab has a rebodied WRX wagon in the line-up.

 

That is true, and the WRX uses a flat engine, rather than an inline one.

Bottom line is that there is a nice turbo eco being used in only a few applications, and GM will do anything to get the most out of its money, thus putting it into the SS and doing away with the SS SC.

 

My dealer said that the SS will be getting the 2.4 leter engine from the Z24. i dont know. i wouldn't lissen to the dealer you can find out more on your own. but Chevy will never put a turbo on anthing but a turbo truck.

 

I worked at a very large dealership. From my experiences working there...only the mechanics were interested in cars. The salesman and managers barely knew what makes a car run. I'm glad to hear you and your coworkers do though, it makes for a much better, knowledible dealer. I'm sorry, you fall into the stereotype however. I apologize if you were offended in any way

 

Huh? Ever hear of Grand National, Sunbird Turbo, Firebird Turbo (yes, for just one year), Syclone, Typhoon, etc.

 

hmmm. most dealers dont even know about the 2.4 ecotec engines.
but why would he tell you to wait when he could sell you right then with an 05?
conflicting.

 

why is it that in some threads/posts I see a bunch of people just 'saying' things without backing up with links to official sites or articles, photos, reputable sources etc. etc... ?

It is awesome to share info that you have come across, but please indicate source and/or facts + links whenever possible, otherwise it's almost as useless as a pile of factless gossip and distorted rumors.

(this is the "Information Age" afterall, so lets include information not exclude it and be "informed" not "mis-informed" )

GM seems to be claiming the 2006 Pontiac Solstice will have the 2.4l Ecotec (same as the non S/C 2006 Cobalt SS models will)
GMbuypower.com site Solstice info
a possible 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP may (they could still change plans easily between now and then) get turbo Ecotec:
check out this link with photos even!

the 2006 Cobalt will have several " SS " models:
1AM37 = SS Coupe with 2.4l Ecotec
1AM69 = SS Sedan with 2.4l Ecotec
1AP37 = SS Supercharged Coupe with 2.0l Ecotec (same as 2005 model)

see the thread titled "Detailed Specs for 2006 Cobalt"
this initial post of the thread
follow the link in that initial post and you will be able to download an Adobe Acrobat pdf file with all the details of the 2006 Cobalt (includes RPO codes for all the available options on all models, paint code numbers, touch up paint numbers and everything)

GM has used turbocharger in various models in the past as well, ( GMC Typhoon, Cyclone, and Sunbird Turbo (Edmonds.com 1990 Pontiac Sunbird Styles) as ssstraub mentioned)....

Seems many people like to debate over Turbocharger vs Supercharger, saying one is better than the other etc. if one was clearly superior in all applications to the other, then wouldnt it dominate and the other vanish ? They have differences and produce different results and both have their places in many different applications. Which would I prefer the Cobalt to have? I honestly dont mind that much.
There doesnt seem to be any indication of the 2006 SS S/C being different from the 2005, and doesnt seem to be any indication of a factory turbocharged option coming. (wouldnt it be quite strange for them to change from supercharger to turbocharger within first two years, unless it was a huge difference in cost or performance or reliabilit... any bad problems with the 2005 SS S/C out there in the world ? "if it aint broke, dont fix it" ?)

As far as the comments about salesman and dealerships.. you will find out there in the world that you will run into some who are extremely knowledgeable and care deeply about cars, and you will also run into some who don't know a spec of info. It's a big world, and stereotypes often are based on just a fraction of what is out there.

 

i dont think the cobalt will see a turbo any time soon. why would gm go through all the trouble to build a sc 2.0 and then in a year or two get rid of it. something here dont make sence but thats just me. plus i like my cobalt with a supercharger. to me it just feels like i have a v6 in the car. i like to know when i hit the gas the car just goes, with a turbo you have to wait for it to spool up. i know this is not true for all turbos but still for alot they do.

 

Its the Solstice GT, not the GXP....

 

You forgot the Chevy Corvair (turbo was an option in the mid-year cars) and the 62-63 Oldsmobile Jetfire cars (as I recall, they were the first production turbo cars offered in the World)

GM got away from turbo's in gas models, that much is true, but the technology has come a long way in the last 15 years. If the market research shows a demand, they will produce one. The only reason I can see that they may not is if they cannot figure out a reliable way to catch boost modifications to deny powertrain warranty to those who blow it up. GM, obviously, does not want to pay for the weekend warrior who cranks the snot out the boost and blows the engine.

 

I'd say that is undecided at this point. I've been reading GXP at a lot of places. Pontiac has already used this term for both the Bonneville and Gran Prix.