exactly.. thats how car companies make money (or at least try to) .. the srt4's 2.4L turbo was in the pt cruiser first.. and look how the 5.7L and 6.1L hemis are passed around... and GM's LSx series of motors.... lsj discontinued, replaced by lnf. id bet my savings on it

 

Unfortunately I can see GM dropping the F/I cobalts for one very good reason.
The new Camaro is coming out. that's where they want all their sports car enthusiast money going into. That and the Corvette. You have sell three cobalts to make as much money as you can selling two new Camaros

 

If that was really the case GM in general wouldn't copy so many cars with different names (i.e. cobalt, ion, g5 or silverado, sierra). GM is never gonna stop coping their cars and trucks

 

I wouldn't worry about that. Camaro is still almost two full years away and V8 versions will probably be at least 10k more than Cobalt SS and once again, they are aimed at different markets.

 

6'6

 

how u figure. i bet it cost more to manufacture the new camaro. so ur whole 3-2 argument probably doesnt hold water...of course im not counting the insane markup the camaro is gonna have when its first released, but when its like any other car on the road..

and people like me arent going to buy a v6 camaro when i would want the v8 camaro, but i cant afford the v8 camaro.. so i think they will keep the F/I cobalt IMO bc that bridges the performance gap from sport compact car to performance car (or watever its classified as)

 

what im saying is...the cobalt is a entry level car for who ever. if they got ride of the cobalt completely, then there entry level car would be the aveo, which doesn't sell as good as the cobalt (im assuming). if they took away the cobalt, they would have the camaro which not many people could afford or even want. i personally dont like the look of the new camaro, its just not my taste...

not many people will be able to afford a camaro, but more people will be able to afford a cobalt...so they cant just get rid of all of their bottom end cars...they need to have something of all classes, like sport compact (cobalt ss) muscle (corvette, camaro)....

you get the idea.

 

Perform a search for Turbo Cobalt. There were some internal documents posted a while back showing the 2.0 turbo for Delta and I'd say more said it wasn't going to happen compared to those who thought it would.

 

ummm.... maybe i am making this too simple but...

if the HHR has the same engine as the cobalts... and they are turboing the HHR... who cares if they release a SS/TC why not just go out and by the turbo and drop it in your Cobalt... you will now have a GM made turbo designed for the ecotec engine. Why buy a brand new cobalt with a turbo in it when you buy the GM turbo and drop it in yoruself.

 

oh we wont buy a tc cobalt? for what reason? what makes you say that

 

As I posted on the "Went to the dealer" thread:



Quote from Scott Settlemire:

Who said we're killing it?

Yes - some will get the 'sport' moniker --

.......but the SS will be back -- and it won't be gone for long.

............and it will kick ***.................and take names......

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...ight=cobalt+ss

Scott was the Camaro and Firebird brand manager for many years and now coordinates GMs auto show efforts. His word is as good as gold. The HHR is getting a turbo - this is a fact. The HHR is, in essence, a Cobalt wagon, so if HHR gets a turbo there's absolutely nothing to prevent Cobalt from getting one. Scott says SS is coming back. I think we can put these clues together pretty easily.
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Now you're being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative. I was really trying to express a general sentiment rather than make a specific statement. However, I can recall there being threads where members said that there would be no turbo Deltas. I was not saying no turbo for no Chevy through the end of the existence of the Chevy brand .

 

Nothing - as I didn't bring up the thought of their not being a Cobalt.

 

no i did i misworded my ****, my bad

 

Too simple indeed - if it's the same engine as the Sky / Solstice, it's a 2.0 liter with VVT and direct injection. It's not just our engine with a turbo slapped on in place of the blower.

 

They annouced that the Saab 9-3 has gone AWD for the new models. The Cobalt already shares parts with the Saab 9-3, so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for them to move this tech over to the Balt. Doubtful however.

 

AWD will drive up the cost of the car. That would be a nice option for LT drivers or standard for SS drivers in the future. I can't imagine it being standard. FWD works just fine on an entry level car like the Cobalt.

 

RWD wouldn't add cost to the Cobalt platform. The layout has been in place for awhile now.
"Sport compacts" are the invention of Japan and will always dominate the marketplace.
GM needs a different angle......a product not offered by anyone else. The Tubo/RWD Cobalt puts Mustang like performance into the hands of young/working proffesionals that are wanting performace and efficiency, while requireing practicality at a better price point.
Camaro/Corvettes' don't even enter the equation because they're unaffordable for most of us.
I hope Lutz is listening.

 

I think they will do it. It would only make sense. And I think that the Cobalt SS/TC would smoke any SS/SC right now (stock for stock). I think that it makes more sense to put a TC in a FWD car because of the turbo lag. It will get off the line better and in all reality put more power to the ground (without spinning the wheels so much). I think its a better move on GMs part and it seems as though a lot of companies are starting to shy away from SC and go towards to TC. I like turbos better and they are much easier to mod and turbo lag always helps in a FWD car. But that would be sweet to see a Cobalt SS/TC AWD.

 

you guys are missing the point that the Cobalt is a Delta architecture car that shares its roots with the European and Australian-spec Opel/Vauxhall/Holden Astra which has had a turbo engine for years. There have also been All-Wheel Drive versions campaigned in rally events as well. Their turbo Ecotec was a tad smaller than ours, checking in at a scant 1.8L's, but the engine design is more or less the same.

An affordable AWD Cobalt is NOT out of reach. Consider also that the Solstice and Sky are the same chassis (Delta) and utilize RWD... Again, the flexibility of the chassis shows. My one concern is that America/Canada is not ready for a mass-produced turbocharged engine. Americans have shown time and time again that they aren't ready for the responsibilities of owning a turbo engine. Supercharging is very forgiving from a longevity standpoint. You can take your Cobalt SS out and beat the ever-lovin snot out of it all day long and you just shut it off and go get a fat burger... Not so with a turbo engine. You beat the ever-lovin snot out of it, you better let the engine run for a bit to cool that turbo off. I don't think that most American's are ready for that, at least in my opinion. I still remember the 80's when mass turbocharging was tried and didn't work all that great, although the Ford and Chrysler turbos really took a beating!

I was hoping that when the Astra premiered over here as the replacement for the Ion, that it would bring over the AWD version, or at least the RSi option... I haven't seen any packaging for that car yet, but i do like the 3-door style of it. Looks like a Cobalt that hit the gym and lost some of tonnage out back, traded in its polyester stretch pants for a some spandex and is looking to hurt someone by flexing.

Scott

 

An AWD cobalt would up the price atleast 3K. So the question is. Who would actually buy a 26-27K dollar cobalt? Not i.

 

depends... if it was at least in the same vein as a WRX or Evo, I might... if it was about the same performer as the current SC car, probably not.

Put that 26-27k next to the extortion prices that Subaru and Mitsubishi are getting for the same cars, and it is still a bargain (the WRX is going for 32k, the one STi next to it was about 37k, and the Evo was tagged at 36k [Burlington VT dealers back in June])

Scott

 

i think were thining to hard. i just think they'll drop in a 2.0t engine into it, make the side impact on air bags better, maybe update the body a little on the grill, and maybe some drivtrain options, or maybe a six speed!

 

I see it as simple as this.
Why did GM kill the LSJ? Emissions or wanting to stop using F/I?
Their reasoning also explains their next move.

 

thats flippin sweet .....

 

I thought chevy was dropping the "SS" line altogether with the balts and turning it into just a "Sport"...