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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 12:18 AM
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Liz, I'm on vacation. I'm not helping.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 06black
not bad. better then the idiot population.

i try to preach diesel knowledge because its such a beautiful solution to our current fuel and emission situation.

the advantages of a modern diesel in pass cars is huge, this advantage would only grow as development dollars get spent.

there's no need for a BOV/DV as there is no typical throttle plate for the pressure wave to reflect off and make way back to stall the compressor.

new ones use a plate but in a progressive manor to build PR in the compressor and limit turbine speed, thus a built in exhaust brake.

quiet an efficient system.

2-dead on, now answer this. with the injection time Vs stroke position in mind, why are diesels able to run "unlimited" boost with no fear of detonation?

3- think of why they stop makeing power.....whats the root cause?



this thread is gonna cover soooooooo many things!!!
And all because i was curious about the new Urea Injection all diesels will be using, cant wait for the tow-ins because the tank is dry and the owners are too dumb to fill them.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 12:39 AM
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Isn't urea injection something Mercedes has been using for a while in their Blu-tec diesels?
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ls1fbody
Isn't urea injection something Mercedes has been using for a while in their Blu-tec diesels?
yup, now VW, Chrysler, GM, and Ford are using it to meet the newest Diesel emissions. You can not have more than .02 of a gram per brake HP, until 2007, you could have 2.0 and before 1997 you could have 5.0 grams per brake HP. The introduction of Catylitic converters, Diesel particulate filters and now Urea injection in combination with Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel fuel is what lowers the levels. All these emission componets kill HP. Cummins had to boost its displace ment from 5.9L to 6.7L just to maintain the same HP and TQ as the 5.9
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 01:00 AM
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this emissions **** is getting ridiculous.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 06black


hrmmmm, this is smack dab in the middle of my busy season at work. a missed day is a big deal. maybe this wont work.

I'll have to keep an eye on things as the time comes. are you guys willing to make a stop in Michigan city?
ive been told that were should stop there, so yes.
the meet is on friday and saturday.
it would be completely pointless if we leave friday. we'd drive all day, and miss the friday part of the meet. we HAVE to leave thursday if we want to be involved in anything.

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Liz, I'm on vacation. I'm not helping.
i'm gunna slap you little piece of... poo.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 01:23 AM
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ls1fbody
this emissions **** is getting ridiculous.
Na you got to think of the big picture, it's not just emissions.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 06_ion2
Na you got to think of the big picture, it's not just emissions.
Said by someone that doesn't have to live with California emissions laws

I agree, clean air is important, but sometimes enough is enough.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ls1fbody
Said by someone that doesn't have to live with California emissions laws

I agree, clean air is important, but sometimes enough is enough.
Been to cali but sorry to say that smog is bad.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PRND3L
yup, now VW, Chrysler, GM, and Ford are using it to meet the newest Diesel emissions. You can not have more than .02 of a gram per brake HP, until 2007, you could have 2.0 and before 1997 you could have 5.0 grams per brake HP. The introduction of Catylitic converters, Diesel particulate filters and now Urea injection in combination with Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel fuel is what lowers the levels. All these emission componets kill HP. Cummins had to boost its displace ment from 5.9L to 6.7L just to maintain the same HP and TQ as the 5.9
they kept the power up, but on a chassis dyno, they are about 80-100lb/ft down and 400revs later.

the cummins ISX and the new intrnational line all do SCR thru excessive EGR. IMO better way as there is not magic fluid that needs to be used.

amaericans dont mantain there vheicales for ****, thus people wont fill the tank and they'll be shitt-outta-luck and real unhappy at diesel....again.

Originally Posted by ls1fbody
diesels essentially operate off detonation don't they?

Diesels are limited to lower RPM's because the fuel needs to vaporize. Diesel does not combust like gasoline does. When diesel is injected into the motor, the surface of the droplet vaporizes because of the extreme heat, and starts to burn, creating a chain reaction. This process takes a relatively long amount of time, so a diesel has a maximum RPM limit to allow the fuel to vaporize and burn completely.

If that makes sense.
lol, dead on Will!

has some one been working there google / wiki skills? last time i checked, i had never seen you talk about droplet size, and what is in effect flame fronts.

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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 09:58 AM
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In 2011 Audi will provide a diesel option for every vehicle they sell.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ebristol
In 2011 Audi will provide a diesel option for every vehicle they sell.
most manufacturers already offer diesel in all there cars in Europe. The only engine options for a Chrysler 300 in EU are 3.0 diesel(beautiful engine) and the 6.1L gas SRT engine.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by PRND3L
most manufacturers already offer diesel in all there cars in Europe. The only engine options for a Chrysler 300 in EU are 3.0 diesel(beautiful engine) and the 6.1L gas SRT engine.
i know :/ we get shafted hard.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 06black
they kept the power up, but on a chassis dyno, they are about 80-100lb/ft down and 400revs later.

the cummins ISX and the new intrnational line all do SCR thru excessive EGR. IMO better way as there is not magic fluid that needs to be used.

amaericans dont mantain there vheicales for ****, thus people wont fill the tank and they'll be shitt-outta-luck and real unhappy at diesel....again.



lol, dead on Will!

has some one been working there google / wiki skills? last time i checked, i had never seen you talk about droplet size, and what is in effect flame fronts.
i don't know a whole lot of tech, but i was a diesel mechanic for 3 years haha

i understand more than i pretend to. i like to ask basic questions to get discussions going because i like the information
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ls1fbody
i don't know a whole lot of tech, but i was a diesel mechanic for 3 years haha
My buddy is a mechanic and a shop forman for a freightliner place and all I gotta say is he doesnt know **** about gas motors
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 11:16 AM
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Psh the smog is only bad over the heart of LA, I can see all the way to the mountains from my house.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 11:29 AM
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We haz pollution.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by HIValicious
We haz pollution.
I have wildlife!
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 11:40 AM
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I have wildlife....
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 11:41 AM
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We have wildlife in California too.

We also have the tallest trees in the world.
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by HIValicious
I have wildlife....
We haz lakes!
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 11:43 AM
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We have Central Park!
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by HIValicious
We have Central Park!
We have the perfect place for you Vik...

San Francisco!!
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Old Feb 18, 2010 | 11:50 AM
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Lol that's mean!
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