Nitrous Oxide N20

Can I run Water Methanol Injection With My Nitrous Injection?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 25, 2008 | 12:43 PM
  #1  
AIS's Avatar
AIS
Thread Starter
Non Authorized / Non-Supporting
 
Joined: 10-17-07
Posts: 488
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, OH
Can I run Water Methanol Injection With My Nitrous Injection?

Recently here at AIS, two of the most asked questions by inquiring customers has been "Can I use water methanol injection with my nitrous oxide? And if so, what sort of benefits will it offer me?" Because of these inquiries, we decided to dedicate an article specifically for it to help answer and explain some of these common questions we receive concerning the use of water methanol injection with nitrous.

Click on the image below to read the article.



http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.c...icle_info.html
Reply
Old Apr 25, 2008 | 12:48 PM
  #2  
Cobalt_SSTuner's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: 04-30-06
Posts: 14,899
Likes: 0
From: J-Town, Wisconsin
very cool, great info!
Reply
Old Apr 25, 2008 | 12:57 PM
  #3  
LamboW9's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: 04-13-08
Posts: 4,029
Likes: 0
From: Pennsburg, PA
perfect...i was wondering about that myself
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2008 | 12:24 PM
  #4  
AIS's Avatar
AIS
Thread Starter
Non Authorized / Non-Supporting
 
Joined: 10-17-07
Posts: 488
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, OH
Originally Posted by Cobalt_SSTuner
very cool, great info!
Thank you. Hopefully this helps others understand too.
Reply
Old Apr 26, 2008 | 02:33 PM
  #5  
widebody_balt_ss's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 03-13-07
Posts: 1,731
Likes: 0
From: Iowa
great artical.
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2008 | 04:11 PM
  #6  
AIS's Avatar
AIS
Thread Starter
Non Authorized / Non-Supporting
 
Joined: 10-17-07
Posts: 488
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, OH
Originally Posted by widebody_balt_ss
great artical.
Thanks. How's your system working out?

Rodney
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2008 | 10:04 PM
  #7  
widebody_balt_ss's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 03-13-07
Posts: 1,731
Likes: 0
From: Iowa
lol, still brand new. Guess you have not heard of my build yet? PM sent.
Reply
Old May 1, 2008 | 04:35 PM
  #8  
AIS's Avatar
AIS
Thread Starter
Non Authorized / Non-Supporting
 
Joined: 10-17-07
Posts: 488
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, OH
Originally Posted by widebody_balt_ss
lol, still brand new. Guess you have not heard of my build yet? PM sent.
Just received your PM. Wow, your build has changed quite a bit since the last time we spoke.
Reply
Old May 1, 2008 | 04:49 PM
  #9  
04redline0124's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 07-10-07
Posts: 3,166
Likes: 0
From: West Palm Beach
can i get a link to the best water/meth mixture for my nitrous set up with a 2.9 pulley please....because im very curious on what system to run, andwhat mixture would benefit me best
Reply
Old May 1, 2008 | 04:52 PM
  #10  
AIS's Avatar
AIS
Thread Starter
Non Authorized / Non-Supporting
 
Joined: 10-17-07
Posts: 488
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, OH
Originally Posted by 04redline0124
can i get a link to the best water/meth mixture for my nitrous set up with a 2.9 pulley please....because im very curious on what system to run, andwhat mixture would benefit me best
Give me a call directly so i can go over this with you. 1.801.447.2559 Ext 204
Reply
Old May 1, 2008 | 05:01 PM
  #11  
04redline0124's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 07-10-07
Posts: 3,166
Likes: 0
From: West Palm Beach
Originally Posted by AIS
Give me a call directly so i can go over this with you. 1.801.447.2559 Ext 204
hard to do now, because im at work, but is there any basic info that I could get?? like what mixture to run with my 90 shot??
Reply
Old May 2, 2008 | 11:08 AM
  #12  
AIS's Avatar
AIS
Thread Starter
Non Authorized / Non-Supporting
 
Joined: 10-17-07
Posts: 488
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, OH
Originally Posted by 04redline0124
hard to do now, because im at work, but is there any basic info that I could get?? like what mixture to run with my 90 shot??
Run 50/50 mix.
Reply
Old May 2, 2008 | 11:59 AM
  #13  
idunn's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 05-20-06
Posts: 1,631
Likes: 0
From: Home: Holland, MI Stationed: Minot AFB, ND
from the article:
Together, water methanol injection serves to act as a substantial octane enhancer allowing 91-93 octane to perform like 110+ octane fuel.

so in theory, with gms3 on 93octane, could you run the high-octane mode with water/meth? i dont know much about this so someone please correct me if im wrong. thank you
Reply
Old May 2, 2008 | 12:10 PM
  #14  
04redline0124's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 07-10-07
Posts: 3,166
Likes: 0
From: West Palm Beach
Originally Posted by AIS
Run 50/50 mix.
and where would i find this mixture??? i dont know too muc habout meth?? and what is the mixture of just windshield wiper fluid??
Reply
Old May 6, 2008 | 11:13 AM
  #15  
AIS's Avatar
AIS
Thread Starter
Non Authorized / Non-Supporting
 
Joined: 10-17-07
Posts: 488
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, OH
Originally Posted by idunn
from the article:
Together, water methanol injection serves to act as a substantial octane enhancer allowing 91-93 octane to perform like 110+ octane fuel.

so in theory, with gms3 on 93octane, could you run the high-octane mode with water/meth? i dont know much about this so someone please correct me if im wrong. thank you
Yes, if you search around on this forum alone, you will find others doing just that. Let me know if you have any other questions or how I can help.

Rodney

Originally Posted by 04redline0124
and where would i find this mixture??? i dont know too muc habout meth?? and what is the mixture of just windshield wiper fluid??
Start with a 50/50 mix of water and methanol For more information about the various types of fluids you can use read our article "What Type Of Fluids Can I Use With My Water Methanol Injection System?" In it it goes over the various common fluids you can use and sources for where you can purchase them from.

Here's the link.

http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.c...icle_info.html

Last edited by AIS; May 6, 2008 at 11:13 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2008 | 03:34 PM
  #16  
AIS's Avatar
AIS
Thread Starter
Non Authorized / Non-Supporting
 
Joined: 10-17-07
Posts: 488
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, OH
www.alcoholinjectionsystems.com
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2008 | 05:10 PM
  #17  
lockdownlegend's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: 05-05-08
Posts: 211
Likes: 0
From: Myrtle Beach
nice....so just to get things straight.

most people say its fairly safe to run a 50 shot on the gm stage 2 tune.

so with the addition of water/meth injection, would it be possible to run a 75 shot on the gm stage 2 tune without having to retard timing and change it?
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2008 | 09:28 PM
  #18  
yellowltcoupe22's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: 12-21-07
Posts: 3,741
Likes: 0
From: lucedale, ms
so all this bein said would i actually benefit using water/meth on my 2.2 with n2o?
Reply
Old Sep 29, 2008 | 07:33 AM
  #19  
MidnightNB's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: 07-02-08
Posts: 270
Likes: 0
From: Oromocto, New Brunswick
Could you run a wet nitrous system with only water/meth adding the fuel and not running a fuel nozzle at all? I wonder what kind of gains you'd see from a 50shot of nitrous running meth instead of fuel?
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2008 | 12:19 PM
  #20  
publikdstrbnce's Avatar
New Member
 
Joined: 09-25-08
Posts: 27
Likes: 0
From: Pittsburgh
about 25% less gain than you would see if you actually used the fuel also.. dont be dumb and use a wet kit without the wet. save your engine and use the fuel also...
Reply
Old Oct 1, 2008 | 03:12 PM
  #21  
AIS's Avatar
AIS
Thread Starter
Non Authorized / Non-Supporting
 
Joined: 10-17-07
Posts: 488
Likes: 0
From: Columbus, OH
Originally Posted by MidnightNB
Could you run a wet nitrous system with only water/meth adding the fuel and not running a fuel nozzle at all? I wonder what kind of gains you'd see from a 50shot of nitrous running meth instead of fuel?
I know where your trying to go with this. However, you would want to run the nitrous system as it was intended. However, I have scene many who will run a wet nitrous system and will push methanol through the fuel side of it. They will do this by using a smaller separate tank (filled with methanol) and separate pump to feed the fuel side (normally gasoline) of their nitrous system. T=Methanol is used as it is a high octane fuel and allows the use of more timing (less timing retard for the nitrous) in their tune.

Originally Posted by lockdownlegend
nice....so just to get things straight.

most people say its fairly safe to run a 50 shot on the gm stage 2 tune.

so with the addition of water/meth injection, would it be possible to run a 75 shot on the gm stage 2 tune without having to retard timing and change it?
Quite possibly yes. However, this would need to be verified on the dyno to be safe rather then assuming it is and going ahead with it. Remember, you can also vary the water methanol mix in the tank to add more fuel if needed.

Originally Posted by yellowltcoupe22
so all this bein said would i actually benefit using water/meth on my 2.2 with n2o?
By just adding a water meth system alone without retuning for it. No power gains/safety gains yes as this will substantially push the onset of detonation further away. Thereby allowing you to then put the timing back into your tune that you would normally retard for the nitrous.

Last edited by AIS; Oct 1, 2008 at 03:12 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Zharrington_2010LNF
2.0L LNF Performance Tech
21
Feb 8, 2016 01:43 PM
dieGone
Complete Cars
0
Oct 1, 2015 06:27 PM
nathan112i
Featured Car Showcase
41
Sep 30, 2015 07:12 PM
Slick_Nick
Parts
0
Sep 28, 2015 09:15 PM
SlowSaturn
Drivetrain
0
Sep 28, 2015 11:03 AM




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:33 AM.