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Old Apr 10, 2011 | 06:42 PM
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not slow at all just stating the facts he gutted the ports and made them to dam big these heads respond better to bowl work and less gutting of the ports so yes whoever bolts this on has a high probability of loosing power
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 06:43 PM
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for a forced induction car this would be muchhh better than stock. an NA car would lose power thats it
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by kxrida2000
for a forced induction car this would be muchhh better than stock. an NA car would lose power thats it
a stock head would out perform this head boosted or not
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 06:52 PM
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why do companies offer port and polish jobs then? Why do v8's respond with a 20-30hp increase with pnp heads? How do u come up with your theory that extremely restrictive exhaust ports in a stock head outperform a pnp head?
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 08:08 PM
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from what i understand about the head the intake wasn't done much but the exhaust was.. i thnk it was gasket matched.. so it actually shoul be a pretty good head
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by elecblue06
from what i understand about the head the intake wasn't done much but the exhaust was.. i thnk it was gasket matched.. so it actually shoul be a pretty good head



and all you guys shitting on my thread can go get a ****** life
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 08:26 PM
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im not shitting on ur thread i am trying to help u lol
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 08:45 PM
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im not shitting on ur thread i am trying to help u lol
do you really think i was talking to you, or the guy hating on the PnP'd Head.... Think about it for a second
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 08:45 PM
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why do companies offer port and polish jobs then? Why do v8's respond with a 20-30hp increase with pnp heads? How do u come up with your theory that extremely restrictive exhaust ports in a stock head outperform a pnp head?
well pnp head is a good thing it will help but knowing what and were to remove metal is what makes the difference just hogging out a port will hurt port performance/velocity it dosent have to be huge and hogged to make a big difference look at the gmr head or the zzp or lsjion's (his head flows within a couple of cfm of the gmr head) they all have smaller ports and i bet you they will flow and work better not bashing everyone has to start some where and learn and having access to a flow bench will teach real quick what will work and what wont
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 06ion2coup
do you really think i was talking to you, or the guy hating on the PnP'd Head.... Think about it for a second
its hard to tell on this site sometimes lol u will soon find that out...had a guy freak out on me cause i defended him once
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 08:55 PM
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looks like u did a good jobb and if the head is gasket matched then it should work out alright. glws bro
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbelvedere
well pnp head is a good thing it will help but knowing what and were to remove metal is what makes the difference just hogging out a port will hurt port performance/velocity it dosent have to be huge and hogged to make a big difference look at the gmr head or the zzp or lsjion's (his head flows within a couple of cfm of the gmr head) they all have smaller ports and i bet you they will flow and work better not bashing everyone has to start some where and learn and having access to a flow bench will teach real quick what will work and what wont
he didnt take out a ton though..i had mone professionally done cause i didnt feel like witting a water jacket or anything but he said he gasket matched and just took some away. The exhaust ports on this head blow dick stock though..thats where u will pick up gains on an FI car easily cause that air gets so trapped cause the ex saide is crazy restrictive. I was shocked to see how much smg took out of my ex side and how polished and smooth it was. Looks like the OP didnt do too bad of a job and an FI car looks like it would pick up a decent gain to me.
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 10:05 PM
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one thing people forget about ported head are, too big can hurt, velocity.
look at cars that go too big on exhuast set up, guess what, they lose power, you should match flow to power goals, you would need a very healthy motor to ever need to take advantage of this, on a sc car, it might not hurt up top, down low, it will hurt torque. ask me how i Know. on a turbo car you want velocty to keep the turbo happy. I won't get into all of it, but some people need to do research and learn before they smash a well educated person and in fact make themselves look dumb
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 10:12 PM
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I've flowed quite a few eco heads, and you can pick up over 20 cfm from just taking casting flash out, and guess what, it performs, much better than one I went more out on. Camshafts are also something you that can be too big, but people go as big as possible, because they dont know any better.
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 10:20 PM
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to the OP I'm not bashing you or your work at all, it looks decent for someone who doesnt do much porting ( I'm only assuming) porting takes a looong time to get good at.
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 10:24 PM
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way i look at it is any car on here that wants or need to port their head is gonna be flowing a lot more air than stock. Im pushing 400+ hp im sure i am getting better gains with a ported head as opposed to a stocker....thats the whole point i was making
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 10:34 PM
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a ported head WILL make more power, all that was said.....to my understanding was that it seems to be over ported, which WILL hurt performance, even a gutted out head with make more power sometimes, but a properly ported head could make more and take advantage of it, Again no disrespect to the work that was done.

btw I yeilded over 20 cfm of a slight port with bowl work, the size of the port isnt as important as people believe,

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Old Apr 11, 2011 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by lsjion
a ported head WILL make more power, all that was said.....to my understanding was that it seems to be over ported, which WILL hurt performance, even a gutted out head with make more power sometimes, but a properly ported head could make more and take advantage of it, Again no disrespect to the work that was done.

btw I yeilded over 20 cfm of a slight port with bowl work, the size of the port isnt as important as people believe,
for the last time its gasket matched, it will be no larger or more flowing then the space in our Exhaust manifolds.
Old Apr 12, 2011 | 02:18 AM
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for the last time its gasket matched, it will be no larger or more flowing then the space in our Exhaust manifolds.
it's clear you have no idea what you are doing when it comes to porting and polishing. why not leave it to the big boys?
Old Apr 13, 2011 | 01:40 AM
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it's clear you have no idea what you are doing when it comes to porting and polishing. why not leave it to the big boys?
he is not the one the one that ported it .. ease up on the guy
Old Apr 13, 2011 | 09:48 AM
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he is not the one the one that ported it .. ease up on the guy
whether or not he's the one that ported it, he's defending this :


Originally Posted by 06ion2coup
Im sellig a Port and Polished 2.2 bare head thats also shaved .20 down

So for all you NA 2.2 guys this is HUGE, The intake ports were opened a bit, and had their splits knife edged, also the exhaust ports were heavily yet safely Ported, and the combustion chamber was polished up

ZZP offers a head like this for over 1000$


My offer?


$500+ Shipping





Those are the new exhaust ports
intake side here

It was knife edged and ported


Well PM away
and is comparing it to ZZP's. he has not a clue what he is doing. i have no intention on easing up on the guy
Old Apr 19, 2011 | 09:14 PM
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whether or not he's the one that ported it, he's defending
and is comparing it to ZZP's. he has not a clue what he is doing. i have no intention on easing up on the guy


And your the ****** Loser who's writing in a thread that you have no interest in, I Thought the Mods on this site took care of trash like you.

Yes ive never PnP'd a head, but ive seen and ridden in cars that the guy( who ported the head) built up himself.

I trust his work, Sorry that this head seems to be fit more for Boosted applications than NA, But all that happened was he gasket matched the exhaust ports and knife edged the intake side, but didnt remove much.

Honestly GTFO of my thread
Old Apr 19, 2011 | 09:36 PM
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And your the ****** Loser who's writing in a thread that you have no interest in, I Thought the Mods on this site took care of trash like you.

Yes ive never PnP'd a head, but ive seen and ridden in cars that the guy( who ported the head) built up himself.

I trust his work, Sorry that this head seems to be fit more for Boosted applications than NA, But all that happened was he gasket matched the exhaust ports and knife edged the intake side, but didnt remove much.

Honestly GTFO of my thread
you really have no idea what you are doing, and if this is your friends head instead of yours, then your friend hasn't a clue either.

i posted in this thread because i am trying to save some poor sap the trouble of installing this head on his car and loosing horsepower, from douches like you that think they know what they are doing.

i've been around this car for a while man, i think i might have a clue by now
Old Apr 19, 2011 | 09:42 PM
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what is wrong with the head jesus of head porting
Old Apr 19, 2011 | 09:46 PM
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it looks like ****. the runners are not even, not even in the same intake port. the bowls look like ****. the "D" shape that they were apparently trying to make is upside down, among many other things

please don't assume i am a newb and don't have a clue

and please don't compare me to a religious figure that likely did not even exist



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