CordiaDOHC

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Money is never a good argument. I got my 98 z28 with some mods for 2500. With another 3500 in it its a solid low 10 second car while being streetable with ac. Mpg will let you know on as it will be an e85 car. And it wouldnt have any problem beating pretty much any cobalt on here. Right now its probably a good solid 400whp car and thats badly needing a tune and exhaust as well as valve springs. Only thing holding it back from 550whp is valve springs fuel injectors and fuel pump. Oh and its an auto

But lets be honest here a new camaro is a lot more comfortable and A LOT NICER than a Rental car I mean cobalt. And for a 3800lb car with an auto to run 12s with pretty much just a tune thats pretty damn good. An HHR SS auto will not run 12's with just a tune. (closest LNF auto there is)


Though I do agree with AREA on the mods... 350 for a cam? The LS series motors arent SBC's. maybe cam only with no pushrods or anything else that youd definitely need to buy. A lot of the cam kits ive seen are pretty much 1k. granted thats for the LG g5x3 cam and similar. And those fast 102 intakes are almost a grand without a throttle body. The LS motors do respond well to mods. But some mods arent that cheap for them.

MTE

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Stamina

"Nicer" is also not a good argument, since it's relative. For instance: I picked the Cobalt over both the (just coming out at the time) Camaro and an '05 and '06 Corvette I was looking at. I honestly liked it more than them. The Camaro felt too bulky and had abysmal visibility and the Corvette just honestly didn't excite me, and didn't have a way to attach my bikes or any other seats when in a pinch. Sure the Corvette was quick, but it just did what it did too easily, and there just wasn't any struggle or spirit to it like with the Cobalt. It felt like it was just some rumble and then you're already at highway speed, and that was it.

After considering the excitement, cost, maintenance costs, insurance, fuel economy, speed, value, utility, etc., the Cobalt to me was the "nicer" car, hence the reason I bought one. On the rental car note: They rent out Camaros, including the SS version by the way, but you won't find an SS/SC or SS/TC Cobalt. So technically the Camaro is the rental car here.

Joe Schulte

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105 traps, LOL.

Only thing you have on a 3400lb Homo Hot Rod is that 60' I read about xmillion times.

You mad.

08inBama

105mph traps......when stock

it'll hit 110+ now with just a tune, don't worry

and I bet my homo rod has more girls flocking to it than your mini van

do I need the car to get girls? no, does it hurt to constantly be chased down by hot ass women while driving it? not a damn thing

as far as the 6l80e breaking with a tune, lol... you 6-speed manual guys better hope so

in reality, the 6l80e is good until about 500whp, or 100whp over a 4l60e... the boosted guys are the guys running into trouble, but guess what, I can have this transmission built for 900hp cheaper than you can get your Cobalts F35 built for a reliable 450hp

the 6L80e is a widely used transmisson, core parts are cheap... because there are a great number of them being built, hard parts are abundant...

CordiaDOHC

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My camaro not the ops. Mine got supporting mods.

MTE

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But but, with what Ill be saving every month on Gas, I can afford to built my F35..........Don't get me wrong, I love the Camaro's, I had a 1989 IROC-Z built to **** but gave me so much trouble with the fuel injection system that I never wanted to C another Camaro again.

08inBama

.....because its not like fuel injection has changed in the last 20 years, lol

no one likes the early fuel injected stuff, hence why all the people you see building 3rd gens: either have carbed 400 small blocks or have moved onto the Ls1s, etc.

and the L99 is a different animal than MOST of the SBCs in a cam swap, usually, you can do it for around $700 or so on most of them(including the Ls3), but with the L99 you have AFM to VVT to deal with, however, even with all that, for about $1200 you can get the Texas Speed Stage 2 VVT cam with the 16 lifters for the AFM delete, etc and keep VVT... and it'll put down over 450whp with bolt-ons, they got their stock 6l80e car to run 11.20s with it(with a stall and DRs of course)

they also make packages that keep AFM, which is $739 shipped to your door..........which is pretty much exactly what I quoted earlier(I think you all misread that, I said $350 for the CAM and another $400-450 in valvetrain addictions), lol and is the "normal" cost for a cam swap in MOST Sbcs, the L99 is just unique as you have several options, AFM or no AFM, VVT or no VVT, though MOST people keep VVT, no reason in not, its very effective

so even in having to spend the extra $500, its not like you are not getting your money's worth


this isn't my 1st go around in a V8 Camaro(or f-body)... I had a '96 Lt1 Z28, a '99 Trans Am, and now the Camaro... so i've been around them for a while, my brother still owns a '99 Trans Am and his car has been through hell and is still ticking... the stock 4l60e was supposed to NOT hold 400+ ft-lbs long, it held 470whp/475ft-lbs from about 40,000 miles(when he started serious modding) until 131,000 miles, with more bottles sprayed through that car than I care to count.... he got the 4l60e rebuilt, the engine is now sitting on 160,000+ STILL pulls like a raped ape, still bottle fed on a 125


if the engine blew into pieces tomorrow, all we'd be able to do is give it a slow golf clap, because its been a champ

Area47

alright moron. look at my signature.

2010 silverado
6.2
what trans comes behind that? 6l80e. that trans will hold 650whp with the right tune. trifecta is not that right tune.

tsp vvt cams are 479.00
comp cams are 380-400
push rods 130
springs, 200
lifters, of them 189
phaser limiter - 60
misc gaskets, fluids, - 100

just because a shop car runs that, doesn't mean you will, or know all of the info.

if you want to compare f-body cars. im pretty sure the 01 ss in my driveway will hammer your car, your brothers car, and your moms mini van without breaking a sweat.

p.s. if you want to start a l99/l9h/ls3/l92/6l80e. this is for you.

08inBama

can you show me any proof whatsoever of Vince's tune breaking 6L80Es........

or did one guy blow his, so oh, it must be the tune, lol


and I don't have to copy and paste anything as far as prices, here are the damn links


TSP Stg 2 VVT cam PACKAGE, as in ready to go:

http://www.texas-speed.com/p-260-tsp...t-package.aspx

$1200 for the L99 with VVT no AFM(which includes EVERYTHING you need in the valve train for the conversion to no AFM)

http://www.texas-speed.com/p-256-tsp...t-package.aspx

$739 with AFM and VVT


for the LS3? a complete PACKAGE and you choice of cam

http://www.texas-speed.com/p-249-tsp...t-package.aspx

$720


or the more classic options:

http://www.texas-speed.com/p-1158-te...pring-kit.aspx

$719


................which is about what I said many post ago, lol

Stamina

So I'm a duck out of water on V8 builds, but on that note I've heard nothing but good things about the 4L80 and 6L80. I can't say that for the 4L60e though. If I remember right the 6L80 was just a modified 4L80, which started out originally in trucks, vans, and even the original Hummer, right? If that's correct, then I can see how it could hold some respectable power.

08inBama

yeah the 4l60e USUALLY wouldn't last with any kind of power, even he was expecting it to go LONG before it did, but he got a pit fighter in his stock transmission... but, one thing that probably helped his is he didn't spray off the line(it'd turn 1.7 60s all motor), so it really wasn't trying to bring 475whp off the line

his car is no record setter, but I will say this, the total mod list is: a SLP lid, TSP headers w/ offroad Y, a catback(which added NO power, pretty much just a sound mod not even necessary for his setup and could be skipped), a 3600 stall, MT ET Streets on 16" wheels, a built 4l60e, a Moser 9"(w/ ABS, etc.), and a Nitrous Express 125 wet shot(plus a tune of course)...

so very little mods, its full weight and it runs low 7s through the 1/8th, which isn't bad at all for no cam, etc.

user 72239

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Epic thread.

Chase0224

new camaro owners, dropping lots of cash to still get smacked around by the 4th gens. lol it makes me laugh.

newt

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My Sunfire crushes Vettes off the line at the track too.....LOOK HOW COOL I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ZOMG!!!!!!! MY CAR ONLY MAKES 193HP......COOOOOOOOL!!!!!!

Quick Sunfire vs Corvette - YouTube

This proves nothing.


Seriously this whole thread is rediculous, more Cobalt owners talking about how their Cobalt is half the price of (insert car name here) and its still faster with less mods than (insert car here).


OP - Cool car, don't waste your time with these people, they are mostly morons.

08inBama

and I can say the same thing about a 3rd gen in comparison to a 4th gen...

less weight, more room for tire, larger engine bay to work with, better rear end

they were just slow as **** stock... modded? 3rd gen>4th gen

SBC IROC Camaro vs 454 LSX Camaro - YouTube
(race at 5:24)



yeah, about those Cobalts and drag racing, lol...

jglenn

if any of you had a clue about fast cars and traction you all would own evo's but till that day dont say my car is better cause i watched a you tube video of it beating your car

USMCFieldMP

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Jesus... this thread is an abortion.

08inBama

and more to that generation of camaro debate, its kind of funny here that the two accepted "fastest street cars"(I.e. cars that run in the 5, no not 6s, the 5s through the 1/8th) and can be driven on the street BOTH have a turbo LS1 under the hood... but NEITHER are a damn 4th gen f-body, lol

one is a Rx-7 built by Hinson Supercars, they drove it to the track, put the slicks on it, and ran 5.61 @ close to 130mph.... in 660'

the other is a Turbo 396(which started life as a LS1) in a '90 or '91 Camaro, they have that car running 5.80s and its visited our cruise ins more than once

just think about how kick ass the 3rd gen would have been if the 80s hadn't of sucked for V8s, its sad a boosted 3.8L was GM's best engine, lol

I love the 4th gen f-bodies, or Trans Ams... the Z28s were too plain, though I did always like the SS, I just went WS6 TA when I had mine

when I got ready to buy the Camaro, I was actually looking for an extremely low mileage WS6... the problem I ran into, you could find them with 20,000 or less miles, but the owner generally wanted high teens for that low mileage of a car... and a bank wouldn't touch giving an almost $20,000 loan on a car that was in some cases 10 years old which book value(even with that low of mileage) was about $12,000, so guess what, i'd had to get like $12,000 financed and come up with about $6k out of pocket... no thanks

I didn't buy the Camaro to build a drag car, bolt-ons, a tune, some DRs... i'll be happy... don't even care to stall it, its a weekend toy and that kills a lot of the driveability...

when I top out and decide to buy something else, the Camaro will be paid for, i'll probably keep it to play around with and buy a vette, that is my plan... top out, double my income, have paid this car off, buy a then year or two old(probably like '11) C6 Zo6 for around $45,000

USMCFieldMP

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Hinson is a hack.

08inBama

i'm going to guess he's trapped higher in the 1/8th than you could in a mile.... and he has the E.t.s to back his traps, you won't see his cars running mid-10s @ 140mph

their shop car(the black turbo LS1 RX7) is faster than the Red RX-7(street car)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdxLL6TJMz0

they aren't THAT high on the conversions, they'll do the complete conversion, swap, all the labor and everything for $8500 plus the engine/transmission... and that $8500 includes them supplying a custom cooling system, a custom cold air intake setup, a full exhaust(header to the tips), relocating all the necessary parts, all the mounts in place, all the fabrication completed, and custom tuned for whatever engine/transmission combination you supply...

its a turn key build, you drop your car, engine, and transmission up, you pick it up ready to drive across the country, no BS

yeah its pretty expensive, but even a stock LS1 in a RX7 will put them in the low 12/high 11s... with the full exhaust, cai, tune, even an otherwise stock LS1 will put them well into the 11s... but you'd be an idiot to NOT build the engine before paying them to do the conversion

there are shops out there that charge close to $3500 for cams... ask GT500 owners, lol

USMCFieldMP

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I don't give a damn how fast his car is. The guy, and the shop as a whole, is crap.

I've seen some NASTY stuff come out of that shop. Completely rat-nested wiring harness being a big one.

USMCFieldMP

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Obviously, you have had no real experience with Hinson, and you're just reading the crap off of his Website.


They're a lot like Hennessey. In videos, pictures, and on their website... they seem like they do some AWESOME work. But when you REALLY start digging... they've got a metric ass ton of pissed off customers because they do half-ass work.

08inBama

and i'm going to say that was around 2009... right? they were going through some changes then, they've got their **** back together, what happened with that is Lane had stopped with the business for a while... Brian almost ran it in the ground, Lane came back... the work is back to what it once was... this is the quality of work they are back to doing now:






that is not an excuse for them, it was just the company trying something without someone who helped made it successful and then it almost folding... they persuaded him back and are even BACK to doing turn keys, at that time, they had stopped that completely(because of what you mentioned, shabby work, I can't remember the name of the guy who replaced Lane, but lets just say, well, there is a reason I can't remember his name, he made it with the company approximately that long, lol)


if you are accusing Lane of doing "rat nest work"... well, that is laughable...



yeah, you are right... i've never met, either one of them... they just used to meet up with us in Huntsville every single Thursday night at the Dairy Queen for the weekly cruise-in

and Hennessey got a bad name because he was RIPPING PEOPLE OFF... stealing parts off their cars and selling them... and not having the funds to complete customers cars, and having to wait for someone else to order a build to fund another... that is a LITTLE bit different than having a builder leave the company and get a new guy who doesn't exactly perform to your standard... and these people that got "ripped off by them"... how many of them were refused for repairs by Hinson?


Zero

Sweetsandman

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As soon as someone gets out of their 'balt and into an AWD or RWD car...suddenly it's "ZOMG dig races are the only way to race!!11!1!!! Look at my 60FT!!!!111!!"

Is dig racing fun? Sure.

Is roll racing fun? Sure.

But a nice back road with lots of twists and turns is where the REAL fun is.